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EDIT: Oh, some good news, a blog that I was using to get magazine raws that went down has come back up.

...I'm most sorry to cast rain on your parade, but if it's the same blog we're thinking about...
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...Then I'm afraid it's gone again. -_-


Not sure whether it's because the blog was too much trouble to maintain or if it's because of the filehost turmoil.

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About przeklej.pl - it's shit. For free you can only download files no bigger than 10 MB (lol) and overall you can upload 100 MB (lol x2). It's written in II.5 section. There is no good, Polish filehost site. There was once but it was shut down by the police.

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Are any of the file sharing website similar to megaupload or mediafire? One thing I hate is obviously captcha, but I can handle that as long as I dont have to wait like 30 minutes to download another file.

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Nope, this has not anything to do with the act.

This has many similarities with the war against drugs. And I'm sure you already know which are the results of such futile efforts.

Regardless, this won't stop sharing, and less stop piracy. When you have the 99% of the world against, you can't expect anything but failure.

To sum it up: NO TREATY CAN VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION, THUS MAKING THIS WHOLE ACT UNENFORCEABLE.

Now, Silverado, stop stressing yourself and enjoy sharing your files with everyone, I'm sure you'll feel better :gokuraku:


You remember the Patriot Act right?

Yeah.


Other news: No one seemed to notice, but I swung by the Pirate Bay and it looks like they might have a file upload site: http://bayfiles.com/
Not sure how it works yet, but I'll give it a try and report back. Surprised I'm the first to notice this.

Other other news: They've got a link to a VPN called Ipredator, looks kinda cool. 15 for 3 months is a bit much, but hey. Here

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Why is this topic turning out to be about acta conversation/fights, while it is obviously not meant to be discuses here?

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Seems fine atm and in fact i like it a lot. BUT if i'm reading this right
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It's in US, and with .com D: so i guess that means no-go
Non the less apparently quite a few spanish and italian manga translations can be found there.


Yes, it's definitely a no-no. Its registrar and servers are both in US.

Added to the big list...

Replied: January 22, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
I really want to laugh how those who want to implement cloud storage in public.

They could not even distinguish between SHARING FILES and PIRATING FILES.

FILE SHARING =/= FILE PIRATING !!!!

Uploading files to share with other people is not the same as selling those files for profit !!!

If only many people don't want to use cloud storage to store music, files etc; this will put pressure on these guys...

Who wants to have their files and also their personal information stored in those cloud storages !????

Guys, we need to be more careful but we must keep thinking positive...

Of course, we must also keep cursing those we-all-know fu**ing as***les - wishing them disaster, accident and any kind of misfortune !

Since those fu**ing as***les make life much more miserable for others, it's time to get their own serving !

It's about the law of action and reaction right !???

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@silverado: i know that being informed is important as well as seeing bigger picture, i just don't understand why it has to be discuses in topic that is meant for discussing about free file hosts.
That's obviously going off topic (even though it is the cause why this topic was made) and we both know if it were only for the purpose of making a list of countries to which is not save to upload it could easily be made a lot shorter. Considering how hot the whole conversation became it obviously needs to be made into new topic.
I'd expect you to know that much, first as one of the topic starters, and especially because you are administrator as well.
And sorry to be bothered, but it's really not easy to crawl though masses of text that obviously do not offer you what topic implies you'll get to see here.

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This seems interesting. Megaupload users planning to sue FBI
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Hopefully something comes out of this.

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Hungary is a lost case. Sorry for signing this sh...  :hikki: :hikki:
The state of our nation is more then disastrous. And we can't do anything peaceful against it, the ruling party has a Two-thirds majority in the parlament, they can do what they want with us. They changed our constitution, pushed our people in to misery, they force ill and disabled people to work, even a women with brain cancer too.
We, with peaceful solutions can't do nothing. We must start  :punch: them and  :rumble: them until they became  :yurei:.
Most of the people here never heard of ACTA or agreed it. Not that we would be interested in if they ratified it, we wouldnt stop sharing or uploading stuff to the net. But when personaly someone sued me or tryed to take me away, i would laugh myself to death.

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Countries to upload in and to that will be save from ACTA but not necessarily save from national prosecution are Germany, the Netherlands, Estonia, Cyprus and Slovakia.

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UK,
Austria,
Belgium,
Bulgaria,
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Finland,
France,
Greece,
Hungary,
Ireland,
Italy,
Latvia,
Lithuania,
Luxemburg,
Malta,
Poland,
Portugal,
Romania,
Slovenia,
Spain and
Sweden

 all agreed to adopt ACTA in january 2012! Uploading in and to those countries will NOT be safe in the future!


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@chibi, it is important to know to which country you can upload files to, that will not introduce sanctions to its internet in the near future.

The guy who writes this article sums it up well enough, although he also does not see the wider implications that I do, he gives a good quick summary for pebs like burst and co, who have not read acta at all.

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement or ACTA. ACTA just got Signed by 22 member nations of the EU. The United States signed it months ago. It’s a very different beast than SOPA or PIPA. Hold on to your hats, this is a rough one.


So let’s get up to speed here. Remember everything you learned about the congressional process when everyone was protesting SOPA and PIPA? The hearings to amend bills, and then voting the bill out of committee so it could be voted on in earnest and all that? Well, don’t forget it, but don’t try to apply it to ACTA either; ACTA is a trade agreement (duh). This makes for two important details you need to understand. 1: ACTA doesn’t have to go through the congressional process the way SOPA and PIPA did (in the U.S. at least, stay tuned for more on that), and 2: ACTA dictates international behavior, and could affect countries that didn’t even sign it.

But it’s an anti-counterfeiting agreement, right? What does that have to do with SOPA and PIPA?

In a perfect world, nothing. In the real world, it has to do with a whole mess of poorly or loosely defined definitions. ACTA has provisions that reference piracy outright, but a lot of the underlaying logic seems to stem from the idea that a pirated digital media is a counterfeit, not a copy of the genuine article like it actually is. It’s very similar to the piracy-is-theft fallacy that’s been around for years and just refuses to die. Basically ACTA is welding these two issues together because they both involve patents and intellectual property.

Ok, but how would it work?

When it comes to the Internet provisions, ACTA has some strong similarities to SOPA and PIPA, mainly in that it takes due process out of the equation and sort of blackmails ISPs into doing the dirty censorship work by holding them legally accountable for what their users do and encourages them to use the censorship hammer liberally. The idea is that if you’re on Time Warner, and you infringe, ACTA makes it so Time Warner will take some of the heat. This gives Time Warner a great incentive to censor your access to any temptations, or anything for that matter. How would they know what you’re doing, you ask? ACTA gives them the power — or more accurately forces them — to monitor all your packets, all the time.

On the counterfeiting side, like the actual counterfeiting side, ACTA greatly reduces freedoms many poorer countries have to combat high prices of important patented goods. For example, under current international trade law, if there is an outbreak of a disease in a country and the only company that makes the cure has it patented and refuses to sell it at a reasonable cost, the country can break patent to produce a generic version of the patented cure in order to curb the outbreak. ACTA makes this much more difficult.

That sounds crappy. What’s this about the U.S. having already signed up?

Yeah, the U.S. already signed ACTA way back in October, before the vast majority of the Internet started getting all riled up about copyright law. It didn’t have to go through Congress or anything, President Obama just slapped a signature on that sucker and bam, done. If that make this whole ACTA thing sound much weirder, you’re right. The reason Congress didn’t have to get involved is that ACTA, as far as the United States is concerned, is an “executive agreement” as opposed to a “binding treaty.” This means that the U.S. can technically ignore any part of ACTA it doesn’t like, which means that it doesn’t necessarily affect U.S. law, which means it doesn’t have to pass through Congress. There are opponents to this line of thought, but ACTA already got signed, so they’re coming from a retroactive angle, which is always tougher.

As a bonus, while ACTA may not explicitly — explicitly is an important word there — dictate changes, it’s vague enough to do all sorts of bad stuff implicitly. On top of that, it effectively restricts Congress’s ability to go back and change any copyright law that’s already in effect. Say, by some miracle, Congress wanted to go back and defang DMCA. ACTA would prevent that. In short, ACTA doesn’t necessarily mean that U.S. copyright law has to get worse, but it does mean that it won’t get better, and plenty of people think that it’s already broken.

If the U.S. can just ignore ACTA provisions, what’s the big deal?

Well, after what it took to stop SOPA and PIPA, I don’t necesssarily trust the U.S. government to want to ignore pieces of ACTA. Besides that, ACTA is particularly dangerous because it is nebulous; just like how ill-defined terms like counterfeit and theft, and ill-perceived concepts like piracy-as-theft and potential-revenue-lost are warping copyright law into a monster.  Also, the E.U. just had 22 of its member states sign ACTA and is treating ACTA as if it were a binding treaty — and by doing so, making it one, kind of, if you catch my drift. This creates a situation that is just begging to be as impenetrably confusing as it is dangerous.

Gee. Well this all just sounds awful. Are there any other bad things about ACTA that didn’t come up organically in the discussion so far?

Why yes, there are. My, what a conveniently open-ended question. One of the biggest problems with ACTA, historically, has been secrecy. The text of ACTA is available now, but during its drafting process it was completely inaccessible to most everyone, including the people you elected to do law-stuff for you. The drafting committee was composed primarily of those who stand to lose by copyright infringement and counterfeiting (pharmaseutical companies, the entertainment industry, etc). Those that patents and copyrights ideally aim to protect (artists, content creators, scientists, etc) were left out. Naturally, this execerbates a problem we’re already having: Copyrights are being treated as 100% great when in fact, they are a double-edged sword like everything else. The issue is that rights-holders, when they’re just brokers and not actual creators, never see the other edge of the sword. They’re far enough away from the creation process to not necessarily see that they are essentially shooting a dairy cow for beef; sure you’ll have a steak but there ain’t gonna be no more milk.

Another issue is vagueness. As mentioned before, the U.S. and the E.U. are already looking at ACTA as different things. This isn’t an isolated case. Inside of ACTA, there are all kinds of similar ambiguities. Like existing copyright law, ACTA is plagued by poor definitions and the impossible weight of trying to stretch a single view of intellectual property law across the entire globe. In order to keep itself from being entirely non-applicable in one country or another, it has to be almost impossibly vague in some cases. Basically, because this issue is too broad for a single law or treaty, ACTA is trying to be vague enough to be several at once. Talk about self-defeating, right?

Lastly, there have been a few flare-ups of attention to ACTA since its inception. Before it’s content was made public, many outlets reported on the danger of its secrecy and when a copy of it leaked, many outlets reported on its heniousness. ACTA has been altered since then — it’s still horrifying, but less horrifying — and it is also no longer a secret. So that being the case, make sure that when you’re researching ACTA, you have up-to-date information.

Man, that’s bleak. So what do I do?

If you’re in the United States, not much. If you’re a the citizen of an E.U. member nation, a little bit more.  ACTA was just signed by the E.U. yesterday, but that’s not quite as damning as it sounds. Because, unlike the U.S., the E.U. is treating ACTA like a binding treaty, ACTA will have to be ratified by the European Parliament in order to take effect. That vote is tentatively scheduled for sometime this summer, the 12th, 13th or 14th of June, though that date is subject to change. That being the case, there is still an opportunity to protest the treaty like many Poles did when their country signed the treaty. As for how to protest and who to call, y’all’ll have to figure that out yourselves; I only just developed a working knowledge of my own country’s legislative process. And all of us here in the States: hope the EU doesn’t ratify because that might rock the boat a little, which is always going to be a good thing.

Whew. Well that’s depressing.

Yeah, well don’t expect it to get any better. There’s also a bill called the “Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011″ floating around in Congress, written by our old SOPA-PIPA-pal Lamar Smith, and you can expect it to start rehashing the same SOPA and PIPA points of censorship except now armed with the genuinely compelling argument of “for the children.” Yeah, it’s going to get messy. Get ready for a storm of ad hominem attacks the likes of which you’ve never seen. For the moment, there’s no end in sight. Stay frosty, folks.

List of ACTA signatories:

United States
The European Union and 22 Member States
Australia
Canada
Japan
Morocco
New Zealand
Singapore
South Korea

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Why is this topic turning out to be about acta conversation/fights, while it is obviously not meant to be discuses here?

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Seems fine atm and in fact i like it a lot. BUT if i'm reading this right
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It's in US, and with .com D: so i guess that means no-go
Non the less apparently quite a few spanish and italian manga translations can be found there.

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burst1... understand this, it DOESN'T MATTER that it's unconstitutional, a country's constitution means little compared to international law/agreements. In the US the whole thing was drafted in secret and downplayed as a minor agreement. If it wasn't for the leaked documents, we wouldn't even know it's existence until it was too late. Once a country ratifies this, it turns into "if the law doesn't exist, make it. If it impedes the agreement, change it". Simple as that. To make matters worse, countries are signing the thing WITHOUT giving the public even a chance to discuss it. In other words, the presidents of the countries are bypassing their equivalent of Congress/Parliament and pissing most of them off in the process.
For example, the Obama administration claims that no democratic vote is required on the treaty since it an “executive agreement”. In other words, under that same pretense, we don't get a say in the matter... lovely isn't it?

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Which is exactly why ACTA is dangerous. It bypasses court decisions, constitutions and even the proper democratic process of creating new laws that each country has. Basically, ACTA is a "package" that each country has the right to accept in its whole, or refuse completely.

Which is why it goes against the constitution, and anything that is unconstitutional won't pass.

But it's no law, and you should remember that.

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I get redirected from rapid8 to a page asking me not to block their ads when I use noscript. I'm no longer using rapid8 anyways; I'm using Tor for my ul.to files now.
That's odd. I wonder why I didn't have any of those problems. :huhh:
That's my plan in the future. I need to get my laptop up in running to do that though. I don't think they have a version of tor for the ipad atm.

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http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2011-11/cp110126en.pdf

And with this said,

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Which is exactly why ACTA is dangerous. It bypasses court decisions, constitutions and even the proper democratic process of creating new laws that each country has. Basically, ACTA is a "package" that each country has the right to accept in its whole, or refuse completely.

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The thing I used to keep the popup-ads from taking over is no-script on firefox. I temporarily enabled rapid8.com and I didn't get a single popup. I just download a link from uploaded.to and it worked fine. I just had to figure out which link was the right link to download the file.
I get redirected from rapid8 to a page asking me not to block their ads when I use noscript. I'm no longer using rapid8 anyways; I'm using Tor for my ul.to files now.

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Re: ! ! WARNING TO ALL UPLOADERS - DO NOT USE MEDIAFIRE.com ! !
« Reply #326 on: January 28, 2012, 01:37:52 AM »
Rapid8 is working for me right now, but it has a ton of popup-ads (and it won't let you use its functions if you use an adblocker on the site), and there's a limit to the number of downloads you can generate within a given time frame I believe.

The thing I used to keep the popup-ads from taking over is no-script on firefox. I temporarily enabled rapid8.com and I didn't get a single popup. I just download a link from uploaded.to and it worked fine. I just had to figure out which link was the right link to download the file.

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http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2011-11/cp110126en.pdf

And with this said,

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i wonder if google updating its rules is related to ACTA <_<

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The document says: "Social media has become a primary source of intelligence because it has become the premier first response to key events and the primal alert to possible developing situations."

It says the application should collect "open source" information and have the ability to:
 Provide an automated search and scrape capability of social networks including Facebook and Twitter.
 Allow users to create new keyword searches.
 Display different levels of threats as alerts on maps, possibly using colour coding to distinguish priority. Google Maps 3D and Yahoo Maps are listed among the "preferred" mapping options.
 Plot a wide range of domestic and global terror data.
 Immediately translate foreign language tweets into English.


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Nope, this has not anything to do with the act.

This has many similarities with the war against drugs. And I'm sure you already know which are the results of such futile efforts.

Regardless, this won't stop sharing, and less stop piracy. When you have the 99% of the world against, you can't expect anything but failure.

To sum it up: NO TREATY CAN VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION, THUS MAKING THIS WHOLE ACT UNENFORCEABLE.

Now, Silverado, stop stressing yourself and enjoy sharing your files with everyone, I'm sure you'll feel better :gokuraku:

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Let me show you one of the applications of ACTA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16738209


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It costs almost nothing to introduce a fake bill. The US has already signed ACTA and many asian countries such as Japan, South Korea and New Zealand. Somebody uploading raws In the US can now directly be sued by a Japanese company.

It's already late game.

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It is now obvious that both SOPA and PIPA were TAP bills, introduced to ensure the passing of ACTA and steer away public awareness. France already got its three strike provisions.

That failed miserably between the great difficulty, the high costs and the rebellion of most if not all of the ISPs.

Like with many other controversial acts, this one is completely unenforceable and doomed to fail.

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It is now obvious that both SOPA and PIPA were TAP bills, introduced to ensure the passing of ACTA and steer away public awareness. France already got its three strike provisions.

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Yep, it's doomed to fail.

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Oh, for god's sake. Burst was telling you exactly what ACTA means. You're not arguing with facts. Remember when you flipped out and kept going on about "Mediafire is next! It's on THE LIST!" even when the official record showed otherwise?



Mediafire is a US corporation, obeying US laws. If even Google has its search results censored by DMCA, then a tiny company like mediafire wont put up fights either. If both you and burst had read more carefully, then you would have realized that firstly, it was just a blog post. When Enron was about to be busted, what do you think did they write on their blog to calm the stockholders? A blog post says absolutely nothing about how mediafire will commit itself to future piracy upload prevention. They didn't say ANYTHING about their future plans. Why? Because they couldn't, the hearing is in 3 months. Look around, do you think youtube wanted to delete hundred thousands of videos and integrate song algorithm willingly?

Secondly, I never said anything about mediafire closing, I said they will obey us laws, no matter how much it will hurt their revenues. The CEO only said that they think, they won't have to close down. It says nothing about changing upload policies. He says they are making bucks with corporations and not warez and that is exactly the problem. If they DON'T NEED private customers, then they might just as well let go of them by not allowing uploads and sharing files from individuals by next months..

Isn't it ironic that the same people who cannot comprehend a simple blog post, also are trying to defend ACTA and explain it to others?

If a group of states ratifies a bill, no matter what, there WILL be consequences and pressure from other states. Suddenly the government receives pressure not only from within, but also from other nations and it becomes a tool to trade more important, international deals. Before Germany could just say, we cannot follow your wish to extracate IP information, because our own laws do not permit IP records to give out to begin with. Now they are a member of ACTA and obligated to introduce effective measures of recording and monitoring enabling international right holders to ensure their copyright. If they don't, it will simply become a topic in the next meeting about the EURO bailoit, or the next banking consolidation agreement or the next NATO meeting. Look at NAFTA and how it increased the influx of cheap mexican workers to the states. Suddenly, the media is saying you are having too many illegal immigrants and those aliens are responsible for the raising governmental and health costs. But nobody is blaming NAFTA or wants to abolish it. And why are they getting away with this bullshit? It's because of half assed understandings that both of you bring forth.

If ACTA got passed by europe, then the signee states HAVE to introduce it as law. It is not like the rubbish US system. There is actually commitment into signing this shit. But hey, while we are speaking of it, look at the Patriot Act. Where have you been when they prolonged the Patriot Act? Are you also saying that it's nothing serious when they take away your human rights? Right now US citizens enjoy as much human rights as third world countries, where citizens can be held custody, jailed, kidnapped and tortured without trial, but hey - hakumamatata!


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It's not that he doesn't know or care, he just knows what it actually is. He agrees with how dangerous SOPA was. Just entertain the fact you might be wrong

And ACTA isn't law

He didn't know what acta is. He said it was just applying to imports and real goods. And disagreeing with SOPA and agreeing with ACTA is the dumbest shit I've read from you today. They are both a grave danger to the whole internet. Sorry, but both of you need to read the bills, before spouting nonsense.

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Indeed ACTA isn't law. It still needs to be ratified. HOWEVER, I think you guys misunderstand Silverado. Whether this agreement passes in the end or not, it still sets a precedent for a global system of combating piracy. What's the main problem here? The one that is pretty much saying how things go is the US. Before, the owner of the copyrighted product had the burden of proving the other person was guilty and had to go through the process of having a law enforcement agency request logs from an ISP (lengthy and costly). Considering all the hassle and cost it took (especially if the person was in another country) and that they still could lose the case, the companies went after bigger fish mostly. If this agreement is ratified, every country in it MUST create laws that facilitate prosecution of copyright infringement. Basically, a company could simply download a torrent of copyrighted work, write down the IPs they downloaded from and then request those ISP for the information needed to file lawsuits. Easy? yes. Cheap? very. Considering that in the US the copyright damages can go to $150k, it will be pretty darn profitable, especially since the loser ends up paying all the costs.

Now let's say the above is modified so only law enforcement gets to see your info. Well, the problem is that now copyright infringement has become a global crime and thus is enough of a reason for the police to secure search warrants, tap your phones, search your logs... etc etc etc...

Sure it doesn't say that your ISP must disconnect you if you are found to be violating copyright laws, but it does say that each country must provide a procedure that includes expeditious remedies to prevent further infringement. It also clearly says the procedure must not be overly complicated, length or costly. Get it now? they don't tell you clearly, but what can be an easier, cheaper or faster way of preventing you from spreading illegal files than cutting your Internet or dropping your website?

Regardless of the details, every country that ratifies this is pretty much saying "ok from now on we will respect copyright laws (US mostly) and help you get whoever breaks it" Just with that, the web and file hosts with servers in any country that ratifies the treaty will be forced to be very cooperative with law enforcement regarding copyright matters.

I hope China looks at them funny and tells them to shove the thing up their collective behinds.

Rest assured that China will not be dictated by US government.

I also think that Russia and quite a number of other countries will also not bow to US' will.


The no.1 enemy of the world is actually those who control US government behind the screen and those related to them (NOT the general US public) instead of the so-called terrorists...

Too much power, money and influence concentrated in a group of greedy, trouble-making and power-hungry f****ing as***les

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Indeed ACTA isn't law. It still needs to be ratified. HOWEVER, I think you guys misunderstand Silverado. Whether this agreement passes in the end or not, it still sets a precedent for a global system of combating piracy. What's the main problem here? The one that is pretty much saying how things go is the US. Before, the owner of the copyrighted product had the burden of proving the other person was guilty and had to go through the process of having a law enforcement agency request logs from an ISP (lengthy and costly). Considering all the hassle and cost it took (especially if the person was in another country) and that they still could lose the case, the companies went after bigger fish mostly. If this agreement is ratified, every country in it MUST create laws that facilitate prosecution of copyright infringement. Basically, a company could simply download a torrent of copyrighted work, write down the IPs they downloaded from and then request those ISP for the information needed to file lawsuits. Easy? yes. Cheap? very. Considering that in the US the copyright damages can go to $150k, it will be pretty darn profitable, especially since the loser ends up paying all the costs.

Now let's say the above is modified so only law enforcement gets to see your info. Well, the problem is that now copyright infringement has become a global crime and thus is enough of a reason for the police to secure search warrants, tap your phones, search your logs... etc etc etc...

Sure it doesn't say that your ISP must disconnect you if you are found to be violating copyright laws, but it does say that each country must provide a procedure that includes expeditious remedies to prevent further infringement. It also clearly says the procedure must not be overly complicated, length or costly. Get it now? they don't tell you clearly, but what can be an easier, cheaper or faster way of preventing you from spreading illegal files than cutting your Internet or dropping your website?

Regardless of the details, every country that ratifies this is pretty much saying "ok from now on we will respect copyright laws (US mostly) and help you get whoever breaks it" Just with that, the web and file hosts with servers in any country that ratifies the treaty will be forced to be very cooperative with law enforcement regarding copyright matters.

The worst things about this act is the fact that it was pretty much kept secret all this time and downplayed by those involved in it. Also, because of this act, new laws may pass in countries that completely skip the country's constitution. In the US, Congress wouldn't even get to say anything about it since it comes in the "ACTA package". Another pretty bad thing is that everyone that derives a profit from the copyright infringement could be considered a criminal and subject to jail + fines. Although probably not their main target, it could mean that any subbing group with ads on their site could, by this definition, be considered a criminal since they derived some kind of profit from copyright infringement.

I hope China looks at them funny and tells them to shove the thing up their collective behinds.

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« Reply #313 on: January 27, 2012, 09:11:58 AM »
You can do it yourself, i changed post owner to you.

Burst, it s fine if you don't know and don't care. But knowing and still not caring simply leads to exactly this kind of shit being passed. Once its law, you gotta live with it and your kids.

Oh, for god's sake. Burst was telling you exactly what ACTA means. You're not arguing with facts. Remember when you flipped out and kept going on about "Mediafire is next! It's on THE LIST!" even when the official record showed otherwise?

It's not that he doesn't know or care, he just knows what it actually is. He agrees with how dangerous SOPA was. Just entertain the fact you might be wrong

And ACTA isn't law

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« Reply #312 on: January 27, 2012, 08:30:45 AM »
You can do it yourself, i changed post owner to you.

Burst, it s fine if you don't know and don't care. But knowing and still not caring simply leads to exactly this kind of shit being passed. Once its law, you gotta live with it and your kids.

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« Reply #311 on: January 27, 2012, 08:25:03 AM »
Ahh... I give up. There's no point in arguing something we don't know if it will ever be signed as law and how it will be implemented if it's. The rest is just fear mongering.

So this is my last post in this thread. Bye.

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« Reply #310 on: January 27, 2012, 08:23:37 AM »
Silverado, could you move my post on "BIG LIST OF GOOD AND BAD FREE FILE HOSTS" (it's on page 5/6 in this thread) under your 1st post in this thread ?

So that all members can view the list easily.


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« Reply #309 on: January 27, 2012, 08:15:31 AM »
Pfff, you should be glad the final draft is so moderate. The futility of this treaty is proved from the moment you know this. Every. Single. Time. Government and copyright holders have tried to clamp down on piracy, it has backfired and led to more robust, harder to combat forms of piracy.

This trend will continue until copyright holders finally give up.

Look at what a silly court order of attempted rape in Sweden did to Assange and Wikileaks.

Do you understand now the monstrosity of cross-border juridiction?

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« Reply #308 on: January 27, 2012, 08:12:05 AM »
It has so many flaws it's unenforceable.

But why should we care anyway? This is faaaaaaaaaar from becoming law, and who knows if it will ever do.

Btw, ISPs already know how to circumvent this. Ask Sweden or England ISPs :XD:

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« Reply #307 on: January 27, 2012, 08:04:53 AM »
Kid, obviously you know little about psychology and how it affects politics. So let me break it down to you and explain what Throw Away Provisions are. If you had carefully read my previous post, you d see that except for the Three Strike Provision which was included in the the previous ACTA version and which has already been introduced to France, I did not even mention ANY of your silly provisions. Why? Throw away provisions are meant to make the real important provisions appear less dramatic and to create a false sense of understanding and compromise. They are used to introduce bills that otherwise would have never passed seperately. So in other words while you were concerned about the never existing impact of those ridiculous TAPs, I was much more concerned about the legal implications it has on ISP and data storage.

The real problem comes that ACTA introduces global ip storage regulations of its member states by passing national legislation and jurisdiction of anti infringement means to the newly formed ACTA commitee. One of the future implications of ACTA is that a US corporation will be able request the IP directly from ISPs in other member states as if it were a local provider. No court decisions, no serious indications of danger only rules, no terrorism exception rules needed. Just a trademark or copyright infringement is enough to spell your real name and address out. Since the introduction of an effective system of surveillance and ip logs requires changes in national law, digital copyright infringement of any kind will become a globally traced fellony. With ACTA somebody in the states will be able to sue you for copyright infringement and file sharing much more faster and cheaper, because the procedures will be standardized and the ISPs have to obey requests regardless of current national law. All current national law will have to be changed according to the rules and provisions set by the ACTA Commitee.

To make it even clearer, copyright infringement under ACTA becomes an act of terrorism requiring full cooperation of all member states' legislative and excutive organs and introduces a global system of internet logs and live data surveillance.

Again, your upload ip and your name will now be stored indefinitely.

It goes even further than that, it means that the F.B.I. and any other authorized executive organ of a member, now gain access to global ip records. The internet will not be anonymous anymore. For a F.B.I. Agent you are practically surfing with your real name.

Do you dorks now understand why it took them so long to pass ACTA?

Anyway those file f******ng a****les that introduce whatsoever digital laws in US, Europe and their other affiliated countries are idiots who are greedy and hypocritical  :p!ssed:

Guys, take a look at this part : "preserves fundamental principles such as freedom of expression, fair process, and privacy."

Yeah, freedom of expression, fair process, and privacy indeed  :p!ssed:


By the way, I've checked that hulkshare.com has servers in Netherlands and registrar in Germany...

Since Germany is a member of EU, I'll still put it on good category but with warning...

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« Reply #306 on: January 27, 2012, 08:02:12 AM »
Pfff, you should be glad the final draft is so moderate. The futility of this treaty is proved from the moment you know this. Every. Single. Time. Government and copyright holders have tried to clamp down on piracy, it has backfired and led to more robust, harder to combat forms of piracy.

This trend will continue until copyright holders finally give up.

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« Reply #305 on: January 27, 2012, 07:44:39 AM »
To make a long story short: this is not a trade agreement, this is an Anti Cyber Terrorism And Global Surveillance Act in disguise.

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« Reply #304 on: January 27, 2012, 07:30:46 AM »
Kid, obviously you know little about psychology and how it affects politics. So let me break it down to you and explain what Throw Away Provisions are. If you had carefully read my previous post, you would see that except for the Three Strike Provision, which has been included in the the previous ACTA version and already introduced in France, I did not even MENTION any of your silly provisions. Why? Throw away provisions are meant to make the real important provisions appear LESS dramatic and to hide its vast implications. They also create a false sense of understanding and compromise among the party. They are only a political tool to avert public attention on futile points. They are frequently used to introduce nonsense bills and to exhaust the opposition. Look into the ridiculous amount of TAP bills preceeding all anticonstitutional bills in the U.S.A. And you will get a taste of the game. Those bills, without TAPs, would have otherwise never passed congress or parliament. So in other words while you were concerned about the never existing impact of those ridiculous ACTA TAPs, I was much more concerned about the legal implications it has on ISP and data storage.

The real problem is that ACTA will effectively introduce global ip storage regulations for its member states in the near future by passing national legislation and jurisdiction of anti infringement policies over to the newly formed ACTA commitee. This is one of the most important points in the ACTA bill. It practically bypasses national legislation of all member states. One of its implications is that soon an US corporation will be able to request the IP directly from an ISP in ANY of its member state as if it were a local provider. Even if the upload was made outside of US border, ACTA requires an equalization of all national laws to fit the requirements of antipiracy policies, and you will be made reliable for any of your online activities and copyright infringement regardless of your location. No court decisions, no serious indications of danger only rules, no terrorism exception rules. All they need is your ip and a proof of trademark or copyright infringement to get your real name and address from the ISP. Since the introduction of an effective system of surveillance and ip logs requires changes in national law, digital copyright infringement of any kind will soon become a globally traced fellony. With ACTA somebody in the states will be able to sue you for copyright infringement and file sharing much faster, cheaper and easier, because everybody is storing logs and the procedures needed for request, will all be standardized. All current national laws regarding digital infringement will have to be changed according to the rules and provisions set by the ACTA Commitee.

To make it even clearer, copyright infringement under ACTA becomes an act of terrorism requiring full cooperation of all member states' legislative and excutive organs and introduces a global system of internet logs and live data surveillance.

Again, your upload ip and your name will now be stored indefinitely.

It goes even further than that, it means that the F.B.I. and any other authorized executive organ of a member, now gain access to global ip records. The internet will not be anonymous anymore. For a F.B.I. Agent you are practically surfing with your real name.

Do you dorks understand now why it took them so long to pass ACTA?

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« Reply #303 on: January 27, 2012, 06:51:23 AM »
You didn't get the gist of it, did you? So let me rephrase:

-No 3 strikes
-No monitoring of your computer
-No shut down of websites
-No confiscation of your material

You guys misinterspreted everything, not to mention the lack of China alone makes this treaty completely useless. Each country's legislation won't even change and on top of everything this won't be signed into law because it's just a trade agreement that has a right to veto for any of the parties.

Countries already have their own laws about digital piracy.

Simple put: ACTA =/= SOPA

I stop here, think whatever you want.

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« Reply #302 on: January 27, 2012, 06:45:29 AM »
Section 5: Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights in the Digital Environment
ARTICLE 2.18: ENFORCEMENT IN THE DIGITAL ENVIRONMENT
1. Each Party shall ensure that enforcement procedures, to the extent set forth in the civil and criminal enforcement sections of this Agreement, are available under its law so as to permit effective action against an act of intellectual property rights infringement which takes place in the digital environment, including expeditious remedies to prevent infringement and remedies which constitute a deterrent to further infringement.
2. Each Party’s enforcement procedures shall apply to infringement of copyright or related rights over digital networks,
These procedures shall be implemented in a manner that avoids the creation of barriers to legitimate activity,
including electronic commerce, and, consistent with each Party’s law, preserves fundamental principles such as freedom of expression, fair process, and privacy.13
3. Each Party shall endeavor to promote cooperative efforts within the business community to effectively address at least trademark and copyright or related rights infringement while preserving legitimate competition and consistent with each Party’s law, preserving fundamental principles such as freedom of expression, fair process, and privacy.
4. Each Party may provide, in accordance with its laws and regulations, its competent authorities with the authority to order an online service provider to disclose expeditiously to a right holder information sufficient to identify a subscriber whose account was allegedly used for infringement, where that right holder has filed a legally sufficient claim of infringement of at least trademark and copyrights or related rights and where such information is being sought for the purpose of protecting or enforcing at least the right holder’s trademark and copyright or related rights.

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« Reply #301 on: January 27, 2012, 06:42:55 AM »
Jesuschrist, you're getting on my nerves. Please, calm down already :stress:

There's no actual bill, this is the whole draft. At first the EU parliament voted against it because they could not see the content, that was a year ago or so.

For the last time, didn't you check the first link? This has nothing to do with the net, nothing, it's about counterfeiting of trademarks and piracy of products, it has absolutely nothing to do with your daily life in the Internet.

Why do you think China didn't join? 95% there is either pirated or falsified.

And way to ignore my latest post telling you that EU trashed SOPA and condemned any intent to censor or disconnect.

For the last time, this isn't what you think it is.

manga is a product. and sharing raw mangas is............
understand now?

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« Reply #300 on: January 27, 2012, 06:32:23 AM »
Jesuschrist, you're getting on my nerves. Please, calm down already :stress:

There's no actual bill, this is the whole draft. At first the EU parliament voted against it because they could not see the content, that was a year ago or so.

For the last time, didn't you check the first link? This has nothing to do with the net, nothing, it's about counterfeiting of trademarks and piracy of products, it has absolutely nothing to do with your daily life in the Internet.

Why do you think China didn't join? 95% there is either pirated or falsified.

And way to ignore my latest post telling you that EU trashed SOPA and condemned any intent to censor or disconnect.

For the last time, this isn't what you think it is.

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« Reply #299 on: January 27, 2012, 06:18:28 AM »
This is why I asked for a link because it is clearly evident you guys haven't read the actual bill and don't have the slightest idea what it does. Im reading the latest consolidation made in october 2010 and thats 2 friggin years old!

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« Reply #298 on: January 27, 2012, 05:26:30 AM »
These things aren't secrets, they're public knowledge. Treaties, bills, etc? They're freely available to read. The problem is when people make mistakes or distort them.

Damn right. And why some individuals keep calling this a bill anyway? It is a TRADE AGREEMENT. It's not being signed into legislative law.

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« Reply #297 on: January 27, 2012, 05:24:18 AM »
Better than reading forum comments from people who claim to know its contents that not even journalists have seen.

These things aren't secrets, they're public knowledge. Treaties, bills, etc? They're freely available to read. The problem is when people make mistakes or distort them.

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« Reply #296 on: January 27, 2012, 05:16:21 AM »
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-opportunities/trade-topics/intellectual-property/anti-counterfeiting/

Here's the summarized draft.

http://estaticos.20minutos.es/adj/2010/04/22/1503.pdf

And here's the whole thing.

You know, Silverado, many countries already have their own piracy laws, and recently the EU called SOPA "trash" and an insult to the rights of the citizens, freedom of expression and internet neutrality.

In addition, the 3 strike bullshit that is not even in the draft was a failure of epic proportions in every country it was implemented.

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« Reply #295 on: January 27, 2012, 05:06:31 AM »
Better than reading forum comments from people who claim to know its contents that not even journalists have seen.

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« Reply #294 on: January 27, 2012, 05:05:25 AM »
Give me a fucking link to the latest acta version that s been passed.

You sure want to read all these pages?