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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8624 on: July 28, 2014, 05:58:56 PM »
Nice !!
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« Reply #8623 on: July 28, 2014, 07:16:15 AM »
thanks for the translation update and notification, heading to read right now!!  :whoosh:

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« Reply #8622 on: July 28, 2014, 02:40:06 AM »
I don't know what you mean?

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8621 on: July 28, 2014, 01:14:00 AM »
There has been an update on Chapter 5 people! Only 7 pages to go now

yeah but i dont understand what she meant by ' has become '. i am curious or was it just a way to put it .

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« Reply #8620 on: July 27, 2014, 10:04:04 PM »
There has been an update on Chapter 5 people! Only 7 pages to go now

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« Reply #8619 on: July 23, 2014, 10:12:44 PM »
:sob:
the translation is going really slow

Dude, this is like the one thing you don't do. Complaining about translation speed will piss off a translator faster than anything else.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8618 on: July 23, 2014, 11:38:23 AM »
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the translation is going really slow

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8617 on: July 21, 2014, 04:15:48 PM »
hi guys i m kinda new to this post n forum thingies. Can someone tell me where i can get latest chapters (i read whatever is on baka tusuki) i want to read ending chapters for volume 13

you can find some spoilers in this thread if you simply persevere looking for them... They should be under some spoiler tags since a rule in this forum is to hide spoilers and links in a spoiler tag...

also, welcome  :hi:

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8616 on: July 21, 2014, 02:02:00 AM »
hi guys i m kinda new to this post n forum thingies. Can someone tell me where i can get latest chapters (i read whatever is on baka tusuki) i want to read ending chapters for volume 13
There are no other sources beside BakaTsuki.
Everything else is just spoilers from translators in Chinese and Korean forum.


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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8615 on: July 21, 2014, 01:48:20 AM »
hi guys i m kinda new to this post n forum thingies. Can someone tell me where i can get latest chapters (i read whatever is on baka tusuki) i want to read ending chapters for volume 13

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8614 on: July 20, 2014, 06:09:21 AM »
well tatsuya isn't a demon lord but god himself!

i wish to see his loyal army getting some action!

i think the term demon god is more suited, no well maheshvara is just fine

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8613 on: July 19, 2014, 05:16:50 PM »
someone agree whith me when I say that Tatsuya would be a perfect demon lord

well tatsuya isn't a demon lord but god himself!

i wish to see his loyal army getting some action!

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« Reply #8612 on: July 18, 2014, 08:05:04 PM »
Is it just me who can imagine Tatsuya and his army of undying Parasites getting together? That would be pretty awesome. He just needs to learn a new spell to make all Parasites become as loyal as Pixie is and we're all set.
someone agree whith me when I say that Tatsuya would be a perfect demon lord

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8611 on: July 18, 2014, 02:32:14 PM »
hummm..
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Special 4 aviallible at any anime streaming if any anybody  interest with it...
freatured with honoka and shizuku duo whose explained bout 9SC(current anime arc)

Okeeee




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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8610 on: July 18, 2014, 05:17:51 AM »
hummm..
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Special 4 aviallible at any anime streaming if any anybody  interest with it...
freatured with honoka and shizuku duo whose explained bout 9SC(current anime arc)

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« Reply #8609 on: July 17, 2014, 11:52:17 PM »
Is it just me who can imagine Tatsuya and his army of undying Parasites getting together? That would be pretty awesome. He just needs to learn a new spell to make all Parasites become as loyal as Pixie is and we're all set.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8608 on: July 17, 2014, 07:01:06 AM »
 :banzai:
Chapter 2 preview is up on bakastuki

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8607 on: July 12, 2014, 06:09:00 PM »
no one can predict her.

she's MAYA afterall



well that's what she is.

making tatsuya overwork!!!  hmp!!!

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8606 on: July 12, 2014, 02:32:10 PM »
what are u talking about?






I mean a long time waiting for a new chapter in translated

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8605 on: July 12, 2014, 05:42:06 AM »
So long wait new chapter translated,,

what are u talking about?




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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8604 on: July 11, 2014, 11:09:57 PM »
So long wait new chapter translated,,

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« Reply #8603 on: July 11, 2014, 03:47:42 PM »
wait i dont understand after all she has done to him she is trying to be a good guy here . is she trying to make a favorable impression of the yotsuba family on him . though i dont think he will change anyway .also she has quite the guts ordering tats to go to kyoto to finish zhou , moreover telling him to take miyuki along .

no one can predict her.

she's MAYA afterall


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« Reply #8602 on: July 09, 2014, 07:22:46 PM »
wait i dont understand after all she has done to him she is trying to be a good guy here . is she trying to make a favorable impression of the yotsuba family on him . though i dont think he will change anyway .also she has quite the guts ordering tats to go to kyoto to finish zhou , moreover telling him to take miyuki along .

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8601 on: July 09, 2014, 04:38:04 PM »
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From what I've read on Sashiko's talk page on Baka-Tsuki, he is already working on chapter 2.

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« Reply #8600 on: July 09, 2014, 03:38:50 AM »
Hmm... On Baka-Tsuki they've just put up Volume 14 as "Ancient Capital Rebellion Chapter (I)". I wonder if the author is now going to return to the first year's two volumes per arc format.

Since Tatsuya and Miyuki are going to Kyoto, "ancient capital" or "former capital" would also be suitable translations. What I get from it is Zhou's forces will probably commit large-scale violence in Kyoto. As for the arc, it's at least two volumes, but could be even three.

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« Reply #8599 on: July 09, 2014, 01:03:23 AM »
That makes me think of this for some reason:
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I love how everyone thinks he's going to go on a rampage if she gets hurt. Even greater, i love how he wants to nuke Fuji but thinks that buzzkill Maya wouldn't let him. I've really started to like Maya's character. As someone else said earlier, she does now sound like a mother excusing her child's actions and sighing over how troublesome he is. hehe.
I think there might be something wrong with me  :huh:


I like maya too.. dont worry

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8598 on: July 08, 2014, 07:52:20 PM »
Got more spoil of vol 13 from TrueAlchemist

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« Reply #8597 on: July 08, 2014, 06:34:04 PM »
Hmm... On Baka-Tsuki they've just put up Volume 14 as "Ancient Capital Rebellion Chapter (I)". I wonder if the author is now going to return to the first year's two volumes per arc format.
the thought is dangerous but whats more scary is that it might be true .

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« Reply #8596 on: July 08, 2014, 06:27:47 PM »
does anyone have volume 13 chapter 2 raws? saw posts for everything except chapter 2.. willing to translate and edit it

please make sure to share .

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8595 on: July 08, 2014, 03:39:59 PM »
does anyone have volume 13 chapter 2 raws? saw posts for everything except chapter 2.. willing to translate and edit it

I posted Volume 13 when it came out here.

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« Reply #8594 on: July 08, 2014, 08:28:44 AM »
does anyone have volume 13 chapter 2 raws? saw posts for everything except chapter 2.. willing to translate and edit it

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« Reply #8593 on: July 08, 2014, 04:03:42 AM »
Hmm... On Baka-Tsuki they've just put up Volume 14 as "Ancient Capital Rebellion Chapter (I)". I wonder if the author is now going to return to the first year's two volumes per arc format.

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« Reply #8592 on: July 07, 2014, 07:38:37 PM »
Thanks for that translation. Also yeah since this is going to be 26 episodes it was expected to go up till there. What I was wondering was if it would go up to the visitor chapters but it looks like it won't. I'm guessing there's about 2 episodes left for the 9SC so I'm wondering if that's enough to also do at least the summer break side story.

I doubt they'll do the Visitors arc, because Scorched Halloween is the perfect ending point for the anime. From a storytelling perspective, ending the anime with the Visitors arc would be anticlimactic. It would make more sense to cover the Visitors arc in a second season, because that arc goes hand in hand with the Steeplechase Crosscountry arc and the Ancient City Insurrection arc (vol.14 being the first part of the latter arc).

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« Reply #8591 on: July 07, 2014, 06:19:08 PM »

Thanks for that translation. Also yeah since this is going to be 26 episodes it was expected to go up till there. What I was wondering was if it would go up to the visitor chapters but it looks like it won't. I'm guessing there's about 2 episodes left for the 9SC so I'm wondering if that's enough to also do at least the summer break side story.

Doesnt seem so . yokohama arc is quite big .

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« Reply #8590 on: July 07, 2014, 02:37:03 PM »

Miyuki and Tatsuya who were dispatched by the Yotsuba family to capture Zhou Gongjin, the mastermind of the Parasite Doll incident, head for Kyoto, his hiding place. There, the two will play out a meeting of fate with the "Manufactured Genius Magician."

Hah! The new opening sequence for Mahouka confirms that the anime will include the Yokohama Incident.  :twinkle:


Thanks for that translation. Also yeah since this is going to be 26 episodes it was expected to go up till there. What I was wondering was if it would go up to the visitor chapters but it looks like it won't. I'm guessing there's about 2 episodes left for the 9SC so I'm wondering if that's enough to also do at least the summer break side story.

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« Reply #8589 on: July 06, 2014, 09:23:47 PM »
パラサイドール事件の黒幕・周公瑾の捕縛を四葉家から依頼された達也と深雪は、潜伏先 である京都へ向かう。そこで、二人は『作られた天才魔法師』と運命の出会いを果たす。

Miyuki and Tatsuya who were dispatched by the Yotsuba family to capture Zhou Gongjin, the mastermind of the Parasite Doll incident, head for Kyoto, his hiding place. There, the two will play out a meeting of fate with the "Manufactured Genius Magician."

Hah! The new opening sequence for Mahouka confirms that the anime will include the Yokohama Incident.  :twinkle:

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« Reply #8588 on: July 06, 2014, 02:47:28 AM »
New announcement
Credit Danilo Takada
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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8587 on: July 05, 2014, 05:39:56 PM »
wel thats good to hear

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« Reply #8586 on: July 04, 2014, 11:21:30 PM »
Good news : novel vol 14 is gonna be available on 10 September 2014
source by Ikebukuro's animate store and Danilo Takada
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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8585 on: June 28, 2014, 10:30:23 AM »
I regret to inform everyone that bt is down one more
no that was just a regular check it happens once every week


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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8584 on: June 27, 2014, 03:41:39 PM »
Well it's back up now( BT).. Chapter 4 was bit cofusing..does one need chapter 2 to get to know of ch 4?

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« Reply #8583 on: June 26, 2014, 08:07:20 PM »
I regret to inform everyone that bt is down one more

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8582 on: June 26, 2014, 11:59:16 AM »
I don't feel it would be boring and I don't really mind if you don't reply, but I did point out in each case examples from the novel of what I'm talking about.  The novel states in v8 Miya overused her innate magic and that it occurred over several years.  It could happen in a shorter period with more excessive use like with Genzou, but I pointed out Miya's case was stated to be magic over use over nearly a decade before she was hospitalized.

Genzou was an experimental body, but he wasn't artificially created with gene modification like Honami.  His family was created by magic modification to the MCA. The novel explained in v12 intro that gene modification and artificial conception were considered failed methods due to the unstable lifespans of the products, and that Japan's prominent mage families were more successful because they matched suitable partners instead of of using artificial methods. 

We've seen the daily lives of Lina and Miyuki and so we know they don't use their magic excessively, especially not their strongest ones.  They use their magic for a few seconds or a minute or 2 with large of breaks in between and even in more intense training they take breaks.  Lina is seen using weapons in her main battles and Miyuki's ability is reduced due to a seal she placed on her brother.  Their elders force them to take breaks all the time.  So yes they use their magic daily, but as I previously mentioned they do not use them excessively, and they definitely do not use their strongest magics daily, or monthly or and maybe not even yearly. 

You weirdly point out my logic is that Tatsuya should be crippled by now, despite me pointing out over and over it could be years before anything is noticed like in Miya's case, Tatsuya is stated in the novel to be a child born normally from 2 parents and is not a genetically modified clone like Honami with a much reduced natural life span, and that Tatsuya has so far barely used his magic excessively.  Any fierce battles have been stated to end in minutes.  15 minutes is the time mentioned after the full assault in v7, and Tatsuya was called away to a roof top right after that even finished.


And I'm really surprised to see you write that the psion information prepared for Tatsuya's magic would not have much effect, when this is stated in the novel to be the entire basis for magic and directly relates to everything for how the mind alters reality as explained in v1 and v3.  Its what a mage processes in the mind and so relates to what burdens the mind in magic use.   

Tatsuya states in v2 he can use regular magic now due to the experiment and his mother states the same in v8. Its weak, but the novel states he can use it. I don't know why you brought this up, since there is nothing in the novel that indicates this has anything to do with reducing the burden on a magician. The novel indicates the opposite is likely to occur since he would rely on his innate magic more and use it more often.


The novel showed Miyuki realized Honami was already aware of Tatsuya's abilities except for MB, so I don't understand why you believe her words were false.  Especially since when she arrived at the scene Tatsuya was relived he would be able to concentrate on attacking.  And I pointed out Genzou was the one who mentioned the mind has a magic limit in the v8ss.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8581 on: June 26, 2014, 09:29:42 AM »
Yes Miyuki and Lina also use powerful magics, and if they were using them excessively within short periods like Miya, Genzou or the original topic of Tatsuya trying to make himself immortal by using Restoration every day, then the same possible case of overusing magic might apply.  Since currently in the novel they have not, it doesn't apply.


Tatsuya has gone overboard sometimes with his decomposition as Honami did point out he was close to his limit of defense and offense in v8, and I think Restoration is a very large spell based on Miyuki's description of the vast psion information aide he prepared, the human body is quite complex, but thats going a little off my original point. 

I believe if Tatsuya did try to use Restoratation everyday it would have little effect on rewinding the aging process and needlessly reduce the number of times he could use magic in his lifetime, according to the details about mental magic limits mentioned by Genzou. 

Tatsuya can currently use regular magic, and the previous magic overuse novel examples involved people who overused their powerful innate magics. I believe this indicates that overuse is more likely to occur with innate magics, since the user would find them easier to spam quickly and it would be easier to ignore any exhaustion due to the natural comfort the user has with them.

Rather than him breaking, using his innate magics excessively would just reduce his overall natural lifespan by more quickly eating up the set limit of magic uses the mind is stated to have in this novel.  And per the example with his mother, nothing negative may be noticeable until many years later. 



no miyuki and lina wont break that easily . overuse means using powergul magic 100 times in a single day. miyuki is hard working , lina is a member of stars so they obviously use powerful magic daily . using restoration one time in a day wont do a thing . it would be like just giving a powerful punch.

Did you really believe that fools words . At that time i really wanted to torture her .that ***** she doesnt know much about his power yet she doubted his ability to fight on frontlines when he easily annihilated the army she accepted it as normal and was wondering about his smagic . how can you believe her words . that was just hoe she perceived it on a screen . moreover the restoration spell indeed has a vast information aide but thats merely information that doesnt have much effect .

its not one of those cliche plots where you can use magic for a limited no of times  . genzou was in the end still a experimental body  moreover you are perceiving it wrong he had reached his own limits of using magic because he used grim reaper over many hundreds of people without break . miyuki will break too if she uses cocytous many times a day , so did miya .

during battle tats uses restoration on a number of people so by your logic he should be crippled already .

tats currently cannot use regular magic . how can you be mistaken about this point . his calculation area is weaker than even the weakest ones . i will repeat my point that it was evolution since both his mother & grand father died of magic overuse he was born with purely (only) innate magics thus abandoned by the clan , thats another story though .

you are coming to many conclusions without any noticeable proof . when did it ever mention that nothing negative was noticed until years .
wher did that conc ept come from . magicians have a set limit of magic. i think you dont understand what overuse  means merely . casting regrowth a time each day is merely use . since tats cant use magic for him casting regrowth is similar to miyuki using inferno and Niflheim .

Dont bother to reply because i wont , it will become boring if we go any further .

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« Reply #8580 on: June 26, 2014, 01:02:37 AM »
that way miyuki too uses really really powerful magic lina comes in that category too . they break when they overuse it.
Yes Miyuki and Lina also use powerful magics, and if they were using them excessively within short periods like Miya, Genzou or the original topic of Tatsuya trying to make himself immortal by using Restoration every day, then the same possible case of overusing magic might apply.  Since currently in the novel they have not, it doesn't apply.



tatsuya isnt using decomposition like that , he isnt creating an area of dec.  of  100m  where everything will turn to dust, he doesnt even use regrowth on more than one object at a time .
Tatsuya has gone overboard sometimes with his decomposition as Honami did point out he was close to his limit of defense and offense in v8, and I think Restoration is a very large spell based on Miyuki's description of the vast psion information aide he prepared, the human body is quite complex, but thats going a little off my original point. 

I believe if Tatsuya did try to use Restoratation everyday it would have little effect on rewinding the aging process and needlessly reduce the number of times he could use magic in his lifetime, according to the details about mental magic limits mentioned by Genzou. 


well you see unlike others he was born with only those magic , i think it was evolution so he shouldnt break so easily
Tatsuya can currently use regular magic, and the previous magic overuse novel examples involved people who overused their powerful innate magics. I believe this indicates that overuse is more likely to occur with innate magics, since the user would find them easier to spam quickly and it would be easier to ignore any exhaustion due to the natural comfort the user has with them.

Rather than him breaking, using his innate magics excessively would just reduce his overall natural lifespan by more quickly eating up the set limit of magic uses the mind is stated to have in this novel.  And per the example with his mother, nothing negative may be noticeable until many years later. 

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« Reply #8579 on: June 23, 2014, 11:09:57 AM »

Yes the novel does state more than once it is powerful.  And it doesn't matter if Regrowth specifically causes a greater burden really, my main point was that if you use magic constantly, the novel shows that there comes a point where you may shorten your life span to a dangerous level. From the 3 magic overuse examples shown in the novel, the magics involved were their innate ones.

Because there has never been stated to be any early side effects, It took years of overuse for Miya and half a year of overuse for Genzou. Once you go over, its too late and I assume your body also starts to immediately give out. Thankfully Tatsuya has NOT been trying to make himself immortal.

Although I don't really think so since the novel mentions Tatsuya only tried to use his magic but then realised it was futile, what you have mentioned is also very likely. But we do know she suffered no damage except the described mental one.  Her body was just described as being exhausted and she just stopped breathing.




that way miyuki too uses really really powerful magic lina comes in that category too . they break when they overuse it . tatsuya isnt using decomposition like that , he isnt creating an area of dec.  of  100m  where everything will turn to dust, he doesnt even use regrowth on more than one object at a time . well you see unlike others he was born with only those magic , i think it was evolution so he shouldnt break so easily

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« Reply #8578 on: June 23, 2014, 06:15:18 AM »
The stress magic puts on one's mind is relative not to its power, but to the magician's skill or aptitude for said magic and its complexity. Miyuki's talent is so great that she can cast magic like Niflheim and Inferno, which even A-rank magicians have difficulty casting, with ease. Possessing innate magic means that you possess aptitude for said magic, which means that you'll have an easier time casting it than someone who's not cut out for it. Tatsuya was born only capable of Regrowth and Decomposition. It's only natural to conclude they're easy to cast for him. In fact, it has never been stated that he had any difficulty casting them.
You pretty much just agreed with what I said about innate magic and not actually answered what part of the novel made you think Tatsuya could spam his magic as much as he wants. Magcians are stated to get mental exhaustion and psion exhaustion when using magic in the novel, and we have already seen the same a few times for Tatsuya.



You say that Regrowth is a powerful magic, but its a relatively simple operation and very similar to Data Fortification that everyone can use.
Miyuki gives a grand description in v8 of how powerful and massive the spell construction was.  The novel never described it as simple, but a spell that required a vast information aide. As a magic spell, it cannot be compared to data fortification since it actually rewrites the eidos instead of just reinforcing it. Its so powerful the novel states it effectively rewinds the time of the target.



Also, Tatsuya's used Regrowth and Decomposition for battles that lasted hours and we've haven't seen any side effects.
It took near a decade before Miya had to be hospitalized. A few hours means nothing really except that if he overused his magic, his overally life span would be shorter.

And I don't remember anywhere where Tatsuya used his magic constantly for hours.  His magics are so overwhelmingly terrifying his battles end in minutes.  In v7, compared to Ichijou and Mari's and Miyuki's group, Tatsuya barely spent time fighting due to being part of a strong special forces unit and his ability to easily steamroll his opponents. 

I remember in v7 when the 101 finally went for a full assault, the enemy ran after 15 minutes, and Tatsuya didn't even stay to the end. The v8 battle most likely ended just as quickly once he started in.


In Genzou's case, he ran himself ragged for months taking down Dahan until he pretty much burned out his mind. It wasn't from overusing magic that was beyond his ability to cast, but overusing his own innate magic straight for a prolonged period of time beyond his limit.
This agrees with what I said. The novel states he overused his innate magic. In this novel it states the mind has a limit on magic use and the novel also shows once the mind starts to fail, the body follows. His and Honami's case are just more extreme as they were in live or constant live combat.


In Miya's case, she had overused it over the course of several years until she died of weak body. Not a burned out mind like Genzou.
The novel also states she overused her innate magic, so if we go by the novel descriptions its the same case of reaching the limit of the mind's magic use. Once the mind fails the novel shows the body becomes exhausted and also starts to fail.  It just took longer in her case.



Honami's case more similar to Miya's than Genzou's. Due to her artificial origins, she already had a small life span and an unstable life force. The one time overuse of magic was enough to burn her out.
They are all stated to be the same as the novel describes the main problem in every case as magic overuse.  The definition of this given in v8 of the novel is 'exceeding the limits of the mind's ability to use magic'.


This is how I understood it. Honami died much more quickly because of her artificial origins and subsequent much shorter natural life span. Genzou took longer because his origins were of a more natural one compared to Honami, and so originally he had a much greater natural life span. Miya took the longest due to the less stressful nature of not having overused magic in constant combat like the other 2, as well as also having a much greater natural life span than Honami due to Miya's more natural origins.

In all 3 cases their bodies would have likely just stopped to work like in Honami's.  Unfortunately, I can't say for sure since we don't know of Genzou's and Miya's actual last moments. Although in Genzou's case I do know his body would have burned away due to conditionally activated magic.


Indeed it was never stated that regrowth is a powerful magic and it causes huge burden on his body
Yes the novel does state more than once it is powerful.  And it doesn't matter if Regrowth specifically causes a greater burden really, my main point was that if you use magic constantly, the novel shows that there comes a point where you may shorten your life span to a dangerous level. From the 3 magic overuse examples shown in the novel, the magics involved were their innate ones.


simply put he never had any side-effects .
Because there has never been stated to be any early side effects, It took years of overuse for Miya and half a year of overuse for Genzou. Once you go over, its too late and I assume your body also starts to immediately give out. Thankfully Tatsuya has NOT been trying to make himself immortal.


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Moreover at the time when honami was dying what i understood was that she died only when tats let her go. her heart might have stopped but using regrowth he was reversing it but she didnt have any time left so she was in a way trapped in the loop if he didnt let go .
Although I don't really think so since the novel mentions Tatsuya only tried to use his magic but then realised it was futile, what you have mentioned is also very likely. But we do know she suffered no damage except the described mental one.  Her body was just described as being exhausted and she just stopped breathing.


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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-13+
« Reply #8577 on: June 22, 2014, 12:11:38 PM »
It just occured to me,

Tats + Philosopher's Stone + Pixie + Miyuki = He could turn muggles into magicians! Entire mountains into Sakuradite Magatama! :huh:

The act would burn him/them out, but wow.

The brain/soul link was explained in the vampire arc, but not the body/lifeforce part.  Its a good mystery, not like there was cell death and cascading organ failure in Honami, she just...went to sleep and stopped breathing.

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« Reply #8576 on: June 22, 2014, 10:58:48 AM »
Indeed it was never stated that regrowth is a powerful magic and it causes huge burden on his body . simply put he never had any side-effects .
Moreover in the cases of miya, genzou & honami their mind/soul was the reason for death . the connection between the mind and body is still not understood and his regrowth cant turn back the time of a soul/mind .

Moreover at the time when honami was dying what i understood was that she died only when tats let her go. her heart might have stopped but using regrowth he was reversing it butshe didnt have any time left so she was in a way trapped in the loop if he didnt let go .

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« Reply #8575 on: June 22, 2014, 05:28:50 AM »
And as a magician who uses magic daily already, using a powerful spell like auto-restoration on top seems to me as overuse. Especially since Genzou points out the mind has a magic use limit.
Where did you read he can spam them as much as he wants? Innate mainly means he is better, more powerful and faster when using the magic compared to others, it doesn't mean he gains infinite psions and has no mental burden. He has limits and must rest like any other magician.  Miyuki even states her concern about him one day possibly going overboard and burning himself out to protect her.

The circumstances of Miya and Genzou are perfect examples of what I mean. Its not instantly noticeably like in Honami's case, It took a year of constant use to finish Genzou, and Miya was overusing her magic for nearly a decade before she was hospitalized.  Overuse in these cases seem to indicate a shortening of the magicians expected lifespan, and that a magician can only use magic a limited amount of times in their lifetime

The stress magic puts on one's mind is relative not to its power, but to the magician's skill or aptitude for said magic and its complexity. Miyuki's talent is so great that she can cast magic like Niflheim and Inferno, which even A-rank magicians have difficulty casting, with ease. Possessing innate magic means that you possess aptitude for said magic, which means that you'll have an easier time casting it than someone who's not cut out for it. Tatsuya was born only capable of Regrowth and Decomposition. It's only natural to conclude they're easy to cast for him. In fact, it has never been stated that he had any difficulty casting them.

You say that Regrowth is a powerful magic, but its a relatively simple operation and very similar to Data Fortification that everyone can use. Also, Tatsuya's used Regrowth and Decomposition for battles that lasted hours and we've haven't seen any side effects.

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In the midst of intense pain, Genzou deduced that the pain did not come from his body, but was rather sent to his body from his mind. The repeated use of "Grim Reaper" had exceeded the limits of his mind's ability to use magic.

In Genzou's case, he ran himself ragged for months taking down Dahan until he pretty much burned out his mind. It wasn't from overusing magic that was beyond his ability to cast, but overusing his own innate magic straight for a prolonged period of time beyond his limit.

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In the aftermath of this incident, Miya broke her body from overusing her mind manipulation magic before she turned twenty like a penance. She was repeatedly in and out of the hospital and lived her life under medical care for ten years.

In Miya's case, she had overused it over the course of several years until she died of weak body. Not a burned out mind like Genzou.

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While it was true that Augmented magicians had unstable lifespans compared to the general public, her current condition was without a doubt due to the sheer stress of using large quantities of magic continuously over such a short period of time. Even for a ‘Sakura’ series, the strain of denying the nonstop volley of so many guns was too much to bear.

Honami's case more similar to Miya's than Genzou's. Due to her artificial origins, she already had a small life span and an unstable life force. The one time overuse of magic was enough to burn her out.