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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5057 on: July 05, 2013, 06:12:07 AM »
You can check page no 96. there henzaeroz gave a reply for similar question.
me too. not that i don't want him to be happy with someone.
but i always think this type of character would disrupt the balance of the world.


there is 3 possibly ending for me.

1.  he die like lelouch or yagami ( be a public enemy of world )
2.  losing his power and have a happy ending with someone
3. still being a Yotsuba's guardian ( miyuki being Yotsuba Head and make a better clan )

and I feel that this series will end with the first option.


but who knows, we can only hope the author give the best ending for us.

^

Something from few pages back.

How about:

Miyuki inheriting the burden of the Yotsuba, truly become Yotsuba faction.
Tatsuya allied with people he developed relationship with during high schools, hoping to create better world for magician (her sister mainly), ironically choose to oppose Miyuki.

and ending is:
possibilities from above  :XD:

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« Reply #5056 on: July 05, 2013, 12:12:04 AM »
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Id kill to be in the same room as Maya.
:huh: would u become "cheese" the moment u mess up????

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« Reply #5055 on: July 04, 2013, 10:49:41 PM »
Id kill to be in the same room as Maya.

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« Reply #5054 on: July 04, 2013, 09:12:49 PM »
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Which covers all the specifics of what I recently mentioned.

they only talk about the student who’s in 1st High and is part of the 101st Battalion. he not mention about they guy being a Yotsuba.

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She hits him with meteor stream/night or whatever it is called during their conversation.  I'm not sure that is exactly being nice to him.  It is why there is a scent of a blood in the room during that scene.  Tats just regenerates through it like nothing has happened though. 


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Rather, her answer could be found in her looking away.

"Tatsuya, drop out of school."

When she finally spoke, it was not a reply but rather a command.

"Drop out of school, why?"

"To lie low here in this house for a while. The Guardianship of Miyuki-san will be transferred to another."

"I believe the selection of Guardian was a matter for the escorted to decide."

"Everything has its exception."

"Well, fair enough…… But I refuse."

If there had been another in the room, they would have shivered at the sudden drop in temperature.

Not a physical drop, but rather due to the incredible tension.

"If I suddenly drop out at this time, I believe it would be as good as a confession that I was the magician who destroyed the fleet of the Great Asian Alliance."

"The reason is irrelevant."

"I suppose."

There was no longer a trace of expression upon either Maya or Tatsuya’s face.

"You are disobeying my direct order?"

"The only one allowed to order me is Miyuki alone."

The tension reached its peak.

Within that period of urgency, as if time had stopped,


think about  Tatsuya's attitude and the way he spoke to her aunt who is the head of the Clan.

do not blame me if I thought his attitude was haughty / arrogant.
if he leave school he dreams will b crushed plus he is sis con.lastly who would want to b with maya all day everyday

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5053 on: July 04, 2013, 07:13:21 PM »
Where specifically do you feel Maya has not been nice to Tatsuya?  She was quite pleasant to him in V8 despite his blunt attitude. Yes they got into a little tiff when due to the foreign and internal threats a separation from Miyuki was brought up, or using Minami as a tool was hinted at. But that day still ended with a invitation to relax in the sun room.  Currently she allows him to do what he wants and provides him quite a comfortable life.
The part about Tatsuya saying he doesn't want trouble is very true I'm not saying he wants some, I'm saying Maya may not know this decision of his and even if she knew about she should do her best so he doesn't change in mind.
What I really didn't like much is how when Kazama was with them to go see Maya Tatsuya was left standing just because officialy he is Miyuki guardian and to keep appearances in front of people who already know who he really is.
Now that you mentionned Maya asking Tatsuya to leave high school, I wonder why she wants him to quit being a guardian, I don't think Maya is as interested in him becoming a full time magic engineer as his father so that only leaves his combat abilities.

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« Reply #5052 on: July 04, 2013, 05:26:08 PM »
Which covers all the specifics of what I recently mentioned.

they only talk about the student who’s in 1st High and is part of the 101st Battalion. he not mention about they guy being a Yotsuba.

She hits him with meteor stream/night or whatever it is called during their conversation.  I'm not sure that is exactly being nice to him.  It is why there is a scent of a blood in the room during that scene.  Tats just regenerates through it like nothing has happened though.  


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Rather, her answer could be found in her looking away.

"Tatsuya, drop out of school."

When she finally spoke, it was not a reply but rather a command.

"Drop out of school, why?"

"To lie low here in this house for a while. The Guardianship of Miyuki-san will be transferred to another."

"I believe the selection of Guardian was a matter for the escorted to decide."

"Everything has its exception."

"Well, fair enough…… But I refuse."

If there had been another in the room, they would have shivered at the sudden drop in temperature.

Not a physical drop, but rather due to the incredible tension.

"If I suddenly drop out at this time, I believe it would be as good as a confession that I was the magician who destroyed the fleet of the Great Asian Alliance."

"The reason is irrelevant."

"I suppose."

There was no longer a trace of expression upon either Maya or Tatsuya’s face.

"You are disobeying my direct order?"

"The only one allowed to order me is Miyuki alone."

The tension reached its peak.

Within that period of urgency, as if time had stopped,


think about  Tatsuya's attitude and the way he spoke to her aunt who is the head of the Clan.

do not blame me if I thought his attitude was haughty / arrogant.

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« Reply #5051 on: July 04, 2013, 05:00:49 PM »
I believe its more that Maya's wary of Tatsuya.  It's probably the equivalent of having a subordinate that surpasses you in every way and has his own agenda (which, as history tells us, can be extremely unfortunate and fatal to the commander/ruler/etc). 

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« Reply #5050 on: July 04, 2013, 03:51:55 PM »
She hits him with meteor stream/night or whatever it is called during their conversation.  I'm not sure that is exactly being nice to him.  It is why there is a scent of a blood in the room during that scene.  Tats just regenerates through it like nothing has happened though.  The Yotsuba provide almost nothing for him that he couldn't get from other sources due to his abilities.  He could go work for Rosen or any other company and make a shit ton of money.  The military could provide him with just about everything he could need as well and the only reason they don't is the Yotsuba already do it.  Everything Maya does she does for a reason.  She invited them for the tea after just to show off Minami who probably has some role in her plans to control Tats.
Yes she attacked him, despite already knowing about his ability, because of his open disobedience of orders that were to protect him and the clan, much like Miyuki has attacked him in v1. That doesn't mean she has never been nice to him, since aside from that little spat she has treated him favourably for the visit and in general.

Tatsuya mentions to Lina that wherever else he goes, people will want to use him because of his unique combat abilities, and from what he mentions in V4 and V6, he plans to try and break away from this by changing society as a whole instead of just using violence or running away from his family.

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« Reply #5049 on: July 04, 2013, 03:06:22 PM »
Where specifically do you feel Maya has not been nice to Tatsuya?  She was quite pleasant to him in V8 despite his blunt attitude. Yes they got into a little tiff when due to the foreign and internal threats a separation from Miyuki was brought up, or using Minami as a tool was hinted at. But that day still ended with a invitation to relax in the sun room.  Currently she allows him to do what he wants and provides him quite a comfortable life.

She hits him with meteor stream/night or whatever it is called during their conversation.  I'm not sure that is exactly being nice to him.  It is why there is a scent of a blood in the room during that scene.  Tats just regenerates through it like nothing has happened though.  The Yotsuba provide almost nothing for him that he couldn't get from other sources due to his abilities.  He could go work for Rosen or any other company and make a shit ton of money.  The military could provide him with just about everything he could need as well and the only reason they don't is the Yotsuba already do it.  Everything Maya does she does for a reason.  She invited them for the tea after just to show off Minami who probably has some role in her plans to control Tats.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5048 on: July 04, 2013, 02:59:51 PM »
i only read that summary.
Which covers all the specifics of what I recently mentioned.


whoa.... any info about Kuroba elders ?
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« Reply #5047 on: July 04, 2013, 02:00:47 PM »

Besides the V8 SS, the Kuroba elders show their stuff in V10 and the Kuroba youths show their stuff in the first D7 chapter.

whoa.... any info about Kuroba elders ?  :huh:

Then you missed the part of the summary when it mentioned how he planned to do it and what info he wanted to leak.


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After Maki left, Koichi contacted Kudou with a visual call. He calls Kudou by ‘sensei’ rather than Kudou’s other titles, a habit from back when he was Kudou’s student with Yotsuba Maya and Miya. Koichi told Kudou he had just received one of USNA’s agents who’s part of their plot to subvert the Japanese media to use as leverage against the Japanese mages. Kudou remarked Koichi would have known all this before today, he has his own sources. Koichi revealed he plans to use the USNA to weaken the Yotsuba, that particular Clan has become too powerful, far superior to the rest of the Ten Clans and can dictate the fate of their nation if they wished to. Kudou has similar sentiments to Koichi, but said nothing outwardly since both side knew this already. Koichi plans to reveal the existence of the student who’s in 1st High and is part of the 101st Battalion, the media and the human rights focused politicians will eat this reveal right up. Koichi also waved aside Kudou’s remark Koichi’s daughters currently attending 1st high will be affected by this, Koichi thinks in this case the other students will only be seen as victims. Kudou commented Koichi is probably doing this mainly because 1st High’s Principal holds a neutral position and refuses to take sides in the politics within the Ten Clans – basically, the principal had refused to ally himself to the Saegusa. Koichi denied the importance of that particular tidbit, saying his main focus is weakening the Yotsuba, and this attack on 1st High is because the 101st Battalion is close to the Yotsuba. Koichi thinks attacks on 1st High students by anti-magic factions are within acceptable losses, and it’ll serve to twist public opinion against the anti-magic faction, which is a boon for the Ten Clans (in his POV). Kudou said he does not hold the authority to approve of Koichi’s plans, nor had he ever had that authority. Koichi replied authority aside, Kudou still has the influence over the plan if he wished to intervene. Kudou in the end declared he does not disapprove of Koichi’s plans, which Koichi then thanked Kudou and closed the conversation with satisfaction.

i only read that summary.

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« Reply #5046 on: July 04, 2013, 01:50:07 PM »
I'm not saying Maya didn't take any precautions, I'm saying her precautions are clearly not enough, the guy can literally blow up countries if he wanted to and he can change the tides in a battlefield by himself, if being nice to him will increase the chances of him not turning to your enemy by even 0.000001% wouldn't you do it ?(I'm talking about HER treatment of Tatsuya, not the entire clan)
Where specifically do you feel Maya has not been nice to Tatsuya?  She was quite pleasant to him in V8 despite his blunt attitude. Yes they got into a little tiff when due to the foreign and internal threats a separation from Miyuki was brought up, or using Minami as a tool was hinted at. But that day still ended with a invitation to relax in the sun room.  Currently she allows him to do what he wants and provides him quite a comfortable life.

I understand that you might be more upset if you were in Tatsuya's place. However Tatsuya literally has no capacity for such strong emotions unless Miyuki or someone he feels close to is threatened. He has already confirmed he doesn't plan to use force against the Yotsuba in V4, and Maya has already confirmed in V8 she has to manipulate him in a way to prevent conflict between them.

Kudo implies that the Yotsuba are a force to be reckoned with amongst the clans. Though, I only see that because of Maya, Miyuki and Tats. Anyone else worth noting?
Besides the V8 SS, the Kuroba elders show their stuff in V10 and the Kuroba youths show their stuff in the first D7 chapter.

i only read they are talking about how powerfull yotsuba and koichi tried to weaken them. i don't know if they are talking about the siblings.
Then you missed the part of the summary when it mentioned how he planned to do it and what info he wanted to leak.

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« Reply #5045 on: July 04, 2013, 11:32:18 AM »
D7 Summaries from chinese readers have been posted here as well with Koich's & Kudo's conversation. Koichi's problem is the exact same thing Kudo complained to Kazama to get help about in V4.
i only read they are talking about how powerfull yotsuba and koichi tried to weaken them. i don't know if they are talking about the siblings.

lol, so it's better to be treated like a slave rather than having people treat you as a god even if it's fake ? ok....

don't know, but i think Tatsuya is a bit sensitive when talking about " FAKE ".

I'm not saying Maya didn't take any precautions, I'm saying her precautions are clearly not enough, the guy can literally blow up countries if he wanted to and he can change the tides in a battlefield by himself, if being nice to him will increase the chances of him not turning to your enemy by even 0.000001% wouldn't you do it ?(I'm talking about HER treatment of Tatsuya, not the entire clan)

you mean tatsuya complain about how poor their attitude to him ?
i always believe he only can't accept experiments conducted in him.
acting nice now had almost no effect.



i'm sorry because we conduct experiment on you.... mehhh lame.

Ah, right. The whole, few but elite members.

if you read The Untouchable you will understand why they are called " The Untouchable "

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« Reply #5044 on: July 04, 2013, 11:11:25 AM »
Ah, right. The whole, few but elite members.

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« Reply #5043 on: July 04, 2013, 10:36:11 AM »
Kudo implies that the Yotsuba are a force to be reckoned with amongst the clans. Though, I only see that because of Maya, Miyuki and Tats. Anyone else worth noting?

He didn't imply anything. He flat out said it.

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"Through a series of checks and balances, we prevent the possibility of Magicians losing control of themselves. This is written within the design behind the Ten Master Clans."
Kazama's silence implied that, for him, Kudou's words were all known facts.
"However, at this current progression, the Yotsuba Family will become too powerful. At Shiba Tatsuya-kun and his sister's current growth rate, in the near future, Maya will still be around, Shiba Miyuki will become Yotsuba Miyuki with Shiba Tatsuya continuing as her guardian. In this scenario, the Yotsuba Family may become an existence that will eclipse the Ten Master Clans. Nay..."
Here, Elder Kudou paused and shook his head.
"Even in our current predicament, based on the fact that they possess unique abilities unmatched by other families and have a select but extremely powerful group of Magicians, the Yotsuba Family are already a special entity within the Ten Master Clans."

According to his words, everyone in the Yotsuba is a force to be reckoned.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5042 on: July 04, 2013, 08:33:44 AM »
Kudo implies that the Yotsuba are a force to be reckoned with amongst the clans. Though, I only see that because of Maya, Miyuki and Tats. Anyone else worth noting?

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« Reply #5041 on: July 04, 2013, 02:34:28 AM »
until now I don't have definitive information but what i believe is The Ten Master Clan Magician is Far Stronger.

The magician of the 10 master clan are definitely stronger than regular magicians but how does that relate to the power of the entire nation of japan in comparison to the Yotsuba ? They far outnumber them and all, there is no way that the Yotsuba by itself is that powerful.

the other clan will treat him better because they hope tatsuya can be useful. i think it's not an honest attitude and can be referred to " FAKE "
yotsuba treatment is bad but it's not  " FAKE "

lol, so it's better to be treated like a slave rather than having people treat you as a god even if it's fake ? ok....

and you believe Tatsuya can read Maya's mind   :huh:  Good for you  :wahaha:

Never said he can read her mind.


Maya's plan does seem to have some basis though, as we learn later Miyuki keeps secret from Tatsuya some of her interactions with the clan. And in D7 Tatsuya is a little put off by how well Maya is still able to manipulate his actions. While the future actions they may take remain unknown to her, she has been portrayed by the author as having a good handle on things so far, and we really don't know much about her plan and are still unaware of the preparations made that she briefly mentioned to her butler in v8.

I'm not saying Maya didn't take any precautions, I'm saying her precautions are clearly not enough, the guy can literally blow up countries if he wanted to and he can change the tides in a battlefield by himself, if being nice to him will increase the chances of him not turning to your enemy by even 0.000001% wouldn't you do it ?(I'm talking about HER treatment of Tatsuya, not the entire clan)
Honestly I don't see at all how something like that would happen? I mean tats is a very logic minded person. If he would leave the clan for such a trivial reason like that it wouldn't fit in with his character. Anyways the main point is that would miyuki be happy to disown the yotsuba's? And by leaving the youtsuba (for a stupid reason as that) what would they gain or how is it of benefit to them? After all tatsuya wants to ensure miyuki's safety and happiness, so just because of her having a emotional reaction to people not respecting tatsuya and her not liking it, he should wipe them out or not have anything to do with them? Anyways it doesn't really matter. Tatsuya ain't treated like that by the whole family. Either way however it looks like to you all I think is that he won't be treated that way forever, because as soon as Maya steps down/dies the whole family will be forced to respect tatsuya considering the fact that both candidates for the next head are like fans of his, although in vol9 from what is said there it looks like there is only 1 candidate in truth, due to fear of what Tatsuya is capable of...
 :wahaha:

Tatsuya is a very logical person except when it's related to his sister when sometimes he will do illogical things. I'm not saying he's going to blow them up just because they treat him badly, I'm saying here is a SMALL change he and his sister will decide to leave the Yotsuba and if such an act results in hostility from the clan to the point of maybe harming Miyuki then yes he will blow them up.

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« Reply #5040 on: July 03, 2013, 11:54:07 PM »
for now, i'll buy it. because you can read RAW source.
D7 Summaries from chinese readers have been posted here as well with Koich's & Kudo's conversation. Koichi's problem is the exact same thing Kudo complained to Kazama to get help about in V4.

I totaly agree and that's the strange part ... it strenght is direcly related to ones abilty as a magician or rather it covers just one out of three aspects of magic power. I guess it has some value as support and defensive tool ... but yamanaka and fujibayashi conversation indicate high offensive value of it ... regardless somethings off here ...
They only ever spoke about his casting speed, not how effective it is against superior magicians, and what counts to the Ten Master Clans is magic power.  Besides Tatsuya and Fujiybayashi I believe there are no other Master Clan members mentioned among the the 101st so they have few magician powerhouses. But yes, instant magic is a devastating combat advantage against non-magicians and the much fewer regular magicians found in the armies of this novel.

If sudddenly someone would came up with pancake magic this wouldn't really mean there's unique element for it ... I don't think that decomposition operates outside currently known magic system. As such it will overlap with other magic due to finite numbers of elements, both reinforcement magic and healing magic should be polar opposite of decomposition ... to be honest both systems Converge/dissipate and Absorb/release from the looks of it manipulate macro/micro structure of the world and should at some level interact with decomposition... ability to interfere shouldnt really be that unique though hard due to innate affinity ... interesting fact is that after duel against hattori Tatsuya along his strong points that are not assinged a grade mentions magic interference ... and graded thrid element of power is  phenomena rewriting ability ... i miss the subtle difference though or someone should call shenanigans ...
Tatsuya's magic is described by Miya as working fundamentally different to how most modern magic works.  So while his magic brings about similar effects in reality to other magics, his magic is a much more extreme manipulation of the world and is why the way it works in the information dimension was described by her as 'not being true magic'.  In the B-T forums one of the translators mentions the grade assignment contradiction as a matter of translator english wording preferences rather than a contradiction from the novel.

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« Reply #5039 on: July 03, 2013, 05:12:24 PM »
Only if someone had they same innate abilities as he did could they cancel his magic or counter him with interferance. But that would mean a 2nd person with uniquely unstoppable magic.
If sudddenly someone would came up with pancake magic this wouldn't really mean there's unique element for it ... I don't think that decomposition operates outside currently known magic system. As such it will overlap with other magic due to finite numbers of elements, both reinforcement magic and healing magic should be polar opposite of decomposition ... to be honest both systems Converge/dissipate and Absorb/release from the looks of it manipulate macro/micro structure of the world and should at some level interact with decomposition... ability to interfere shouldnt really be that unique though hard due to innate affinity ... interesting fact is that after duel against hattori Tatsuya along his strong points that are not assinged a grade mentions magic interference ... and graded thrid element of power is  phenomena rewriting ability ... i miss the subtle difference though or someone should call shenanigans ...



Nope, Flash cast is limited and weak. Unless it is used indirectly or at very close range, a strong magician can easily resist its direct effects or has a chance to counter its indirect effects.
I totaly agree and that's the strange part ... it strenght is direcly related to ones abilty as a magician or rather it covers just one out of three aspects of magic power. I guess it has some value as support and defensive tool ... but yamanaka and fujibayashi conversation indicate high offensive value of it ... regardless somethings off here ...

he does not have evidence to prove they are yotsuba.
security around siblings make such thing hardly possible ... however it is mentioned that aroud 90% of magicians comes from breading, Tatsuya aside there is little possibility that such powerfull magician as Miyuki would came out of nowhere ... if you consider fact that yotsuba are known from their clandestine nature neither sudden question katsuto threw at Tatsuya concerning clan affiliation nor Mayumi "provocation" are all that suprising. Someone also have risen valid point that due to kinship Miyuki and Maya might have striking resemblence ... in the end one may need proof to do something decisive but there is nothing that stops you from acting on suspiction

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« Reply #5038 on: July 03, 2013, 04:52:44 PM »
In D7 he's already acted on the basis they are and consulted Kudo about it. There are no maybe's about it in his mind.

for now, i'll buy it. because you can read RAW source.

From Untouchable — The Nightmare of 2062:
After all, Kouichi is not only her younger sister's boyfriend, but also her fiancé.

but that's an arranged marriage.

[...]
Due to her inability to have a child, the Yotsuba clan and the Saegusa clan dissolved Maya and Kouichi's engagement. Saegusa Kouichi had forever lost his right eye and his beloved simultaneously.


okay, he probably love her.

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« Reply #5037 on: July 03, 2013, 02:47:26 PM »
i think there are not enough information about their relationship.
we don't know if they are really in Love each other.

From Untouchable — The Nightmare of 2062:
After all, Kouichi is not only her younger sister's boyfriend, but also her fiancé.
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Due to her inability to have a child, the Yotsuba clan and the Saegusa clan dissolved Maya and Kouichi's engagement. Saegusa Kouichi had forever lost his right eye and his beloved simultaneously.

Honestly I don't see at all how something like that would happen? I mean tats is a very logic minded person. If he would leave the clan for such a trivial reason like that it wouldn't fit in with his character. Anyways the main point is that would miyuki be happy to disown the yotsuba's? And by leaving the youtsuba (for a stupid reason as that) what would they gain or how is it of benefit to them? After all tatsuya wants to ensure miyuki's safety and happiness, so just because of her having a emotional reaction to people not respecting tatsuya and her not liking it, he should wipe them out or not have anything to do with them?

Exactly. Tatsuya would weigh the pros and cons before breaking ties with Yotsuba. At least with Maya, it's a case of "the devil you know." How much would he know about other clans and why would he think they would treat him any better than Yotsuba? Why would he trust them more than Yotsuba? Just like Tatsuya considered Arlington and the JSDF to be two sides of the same coin, Yotsuba and any other of the Ten Master Clans are of the same coin. As for one of the other Ten Master Clans giving Tatsuya and Miyuki protection, would they be willing to make an outright enemy of Yotsuba?

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« Reply #5036 on: July 03, 2013, 12:57:56 PM »
Very true however Maya can't read Tatsuya's mind, she can guess the way he thinks from experience but she can never know for sure that he will not change clans(even by making Miyuki the heir, Miyuki can just decide to stop being Yotsuba if she wanted to). So her treatment of Tatsuya as someone who is aware of all of his secrets and the possiblity of him leaving if shit doesn't go his way is extremely stupid.

Also while he might not care about how crappy the treatment of his clan is towards him, his sister cares a LOT about that, and him knowing that she doesn't like to see him being treated like that might be enough for him to decide to leave.
Honestly I don't see at all how something like that would happen? I mean tats is a very logic minded person. If he would leave the clan for such a trivial reason like that it wouldn't fit in with his character. Anyways the main point is that would miyuki be happy to disown the yotsuba's? And by leaving the youtsuba (for a stupid reason as that) what would they gain or how is it of benefit to them? After all tatsuya wants to ensure miyuki's safety and happiness, so just because of her having a emotional reaction to people not respecting tatsuya and her not liking it, he should wipe them out or not have anything to do with them? Anyways it doesn't really matter. Tatsuya ain't treated like that by the whole family. Either way however it looks like to you all I think is that he won't be treated that way forever, because as soon as Maya steps down/dies the whole family will be forced to respect tatsuya considering the fact that both candidates for the next head are like fans of his, although in vol9 from what is said there it looks like there is only 1 candidate in truth, due to fear of what Tatsuya is capable of...
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« Reply #5035 on: July 03, 2013, 12:45:19 PM »
Very true however Maya can't read Tatsuya's mind, she can guess the way he thinks from experience but she can never know for sure that he will not change clans(even by making Miyuki the heir, Miyuki can just decide to stop being Yotsuba if she wanted to). So her treatment of Tatsuya as someone who is aware of all of his secrets and the possiblity of him leaving if shit doesn't go his way is extremely stupid.

Also while he might not care about how crappy the treatment of his clan is towards him, his sister cares a LOT about that, and him knowing that she doesn't like to see him being treated like that might be enough for him to decide to leave.
Maya's plan does seem to have some basis though, as we learn later Miyuki keeps secret from Tatsuya some of her interactions with the clan. And in D7 Tatsuya is a little put off by how well Maya is still able to manipulate his actions. While the future actions they may take remain unknown to her, she has been portrayed by the author as having a good handle on things so far, and we really don't know much about her plan and are still unaware of the preparations made that she briefly mentioned to her butler in v8.

Cudddling on the roof top? When is this? GAAAAAAHHHHH why can't I read JAPANESE!!!!!!?????????
Its happens near the end of web 5 or in V10 I believe.

to this day Koichi can only speculate who they are and maybe he think they have ties with Yotsuba.
but he does not have evidence to prove they are yotsuba.
In D7 he's already acted on the basis they are and consulted Kudo about it. There are no maybe's about it in his mind.

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« Reply #5034 on: July 03, 2013, 11:55:51 AM »
What are you basing your assumption that the Yotsuba is better than the country, they certainly are powerful and can shape where the country is gonna go but still, this is Japan we're talking about you're making it sound like some random country and I never said he should go to a foreign country.

until now I don't have definitive information but what i believe is The Ten Master Clan Magician is Far Stronger.

Yes it will be better, pretty much any other clan would fear and respect him and would want to have such an amazing asset in their ranks, and why specfically Miyuki they have no reason to treat her badly. Just from the Vol05 chapter about the Ichijou family we can see how different they are from the Yotsuba, they even kind off adopted Cardinal George who's skills is lower in Magic Engineering is lower than Tatsuya and is nowhere near as good as a combat magician, plus Ichijou is in love with Miyuki.


the other clan will treat him better because they hope tatsuya can be useful. i think it's not an honest attitude and can be referred to " FAKE "
yotsuba treatment is bad but it's not  " FAKE "

Very true however Maya can't read Tatsuya's mind, she can guess the way he thinks from experience but she can never know for sure that he will not change clans(even by making Miyuki the heir, Miyuki can just decide to stop being Yotsuba if she wanted to). So her treatment of Tatsuya as someone who is aware of all of his secrets and the possiblity of him leaving if shit doesn't go his way is extremely stupid.

Also while he might not care about how crappy the treatment of his clan is towards him, his sister cares a LOT about that, and him knowing that she doesn't like to see him being treated like that might be enough for him to decide to leave.

and you believe Tatsuya can read Maya's mind   :huh:  Good for you  :wahaha:

With the revelation that Koichi and Maya had been in love and that their engagement hadn't been just a political arrangement, I have to wonder if when Koichi meets Miyuki—which is implied will happen since he'd told Mayumi he wanted to meet the Shiba siblings and she'd said she'd ask—will Koichi be reminded of the Maya he'd been in love with, the Maya from before the events in The Untouchables? And if he is, would that affect events in the Double-7 arc? I mean, his lost eye is a reminder of how he'd failed the woman he loved (who's different from the current Yotsuba Maya), and he's bound to feel some guilt over that failure.

i think there are not enough information about their relationship.
we don't know if they are really in Love each other.
I believe what he does is feeling guilty and responsible for what happened. do not know whether there is love in it.


Didn't Koichi already get a good look at Miyuki in the Nine Schools Competition? It was streamed and recorded after all. I think Koichi's interest in the siblings started from there, most probably from Miyuki's uncanny resemblance to Maya. Koichi already deduced that Miyuki and her brother were from the Yotsuba. This can be further deduced from the events of the Vampire Arc, with Koichi having had a hand in a lot of things going on. 

to this day Koichi can only speculate who they are and maybe he think they have ties with Yotsuba.
but he does not have evidence to prove they are yotsuba.

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« Reply #5033 on: July 03, 2013, 10:40:04 AM »
Didn't Koichi already get a good look at Miyuki in the Nine Schools Competition? It was streamed and recorded after all. I think Koichi's interest in the siblings started from there, most probably from Miyuki's uncanny resemblance to Maya. Koichi already deduced that Miyuki and her brother were from the Yotsuba. This can be further deduced from the events of the Vampire Arc, with Koichi having had a hand in a lot of things going on. 

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« Reply #5032 on: July 03, 2013, 10:32:44 AM »
Rather than impossible it is more due to the fact its an untested and an unknown area. Tatsuya started contemplating possible human spirit theories after learning about the vamps to help distract himself from Honoka and Miyuki cuddling him on the school rooftop.

Cudddling on the roof top? When is this? GAAAAAAHHHHH why can't I read JAPANESE!!!!!!?????????

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« Reply #5031 on: July 03, 2013, 10:11:57 AM »
With the revelation that Koichi and Maya had been in love and that their engagement hadn't been just a political arrangement, I have to wonder if when Koichi meets Miyuki—which is implied will happen since he'd told Mayumi he wanted to meet the Shiba siblings and she'd said she'd ask—will Koichi be reminded of the Maya he'd been in love with, the Maya from before the events in Untouchable? And if he is, would that affect events in the Double-7 arc? I mean, his lost eye is a reminder of how he'd failed the woman he loved (who's different from the current Yotsuba Maya), and he's bound to feel some guilt over that failure.

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« Reply #5030 on: July 02, 2013, 11:02:57 PM »
You'll have to ask the author as he wasn't specific when he mentions this.  IIRC Its mentioned in the Vamp Arc after he leaves to take part in the Vamp hunt.
Tatsuya is happy where he is though right now and enjoys alot of freedom. He has his own private and company labs, gets to train in the military and privately with people he likes, respects and hopes to learn from, and gets to go to school with his favourite person.  At each of these places there are people who treat him with warmth and respect and he refuses any clan orders he doesn't like and the Yotsuba don't meddle in his affairs unless their secrets, security or Miyuki's life is threatened. I personally don't see any reason he should leave them at the moment. Especially since they might turn on him if he leaves them.

I think the plan Tatsuya mentions to Miyuki in V4 is fine to follow for the moment....until all hell breaks loose.

Very true however Maya can't read Tatsuya's mind, she can guess the way he thinks from experience but she can never know for sure that he will not change clans(even by making Miyuki the heir, Miyuki can just decide to stop being Yotsuba if she wanted to). So her treatment of Tatsuya as someone who is aware of all of his secrets and the possiblity of him leaving if shit doesn't go his way is extremely stupid.

Also while he might not care about how crappy the treatment of his clan is towards him, his sister cares a LOT about that, and him knowing that she doesn't like to see him being treated like that might be enough for him to decide to leave.

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« Reply #5029 on: July 02, 2013, 10:40:17 PM »
can you give me more explaination about  the higher ups in the Yotsuba ?
You'll have to ask the author as he wasn't specific when he mentions this.  IIRC Its mentioned in the Vamp Arc after he leaves to take part in the Vamp hunt.

Yes it will be better, pretty much any other clan would fear and respect him and would want to have such an amazing asset in their ranks, and why specfically Miyuki they have no reason to treat her badly.
Tatsuya is happy where he is though right now and enjoys alot of freedom. He has his own private and company labs, gets to train in the military and privately with people he likes, respects and hopes to learn from, and gets to go to school with his favourite person.  At each of these places there are people who treat him with warmth and respect and he refuses any clan orders he doesn't like and the Yotsuba don't meddle in his affairs unless their secrets, security or Miyuki's life is threatened. I personally don't see any reason he should leave them at the moment. Especially since they might turn on him if he leaves them.

I think the plan Tatsuya mentions to Miyuki in V4 is fine to follow for the moment....until all hell breaks loose.

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« Reply #5028 on: July 02, 2013, 09:54:12 PM »
i already said this many times. He is too Hax , too dangerous and his SC magic threaten other countries. he will be targeted by the whole world

Like I said also he is already targetted by the whole world and I said he can go for protection to other places not stay on his own, the Yotsuba isn't the only place that can protect him.

so you think the country is reliable in this case ?
for me, Yotsuba is much more better than the Country ( Japan ).
go to USNA if you want protection ( i'm sure his freedom will be very limited  ).

What are you basing your assumption that the Yotsuba is better than the country, they certainly are powerful and can shape where the country is gonna go but still, this is Japan we're talking about you're making it sound like some random country and I never said he should go to a foreign country.

about other Clan,  their treatment will better than Yotsuba or not ?  especialy for Miyuki ? Her future is assured in the Clan. there is no reason why he/they would leave the Clan.

Yes it will be better, pretty much any other clan would fear and respect him and would want to have such an amazing asset in their ranks, and why specfically Miyuki they have no reason to treat her badly. Just from the Vol05 chapter about the Ichijou family we can see how different they are from the Yotsuba, they even kind off adopted Cardinal George who's skills is lower in Magic Engineering is lower than Tatsuya and is nowhere near as good as a combat magician, plus Ichijou is in love with Miyuki.


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« Reply #5027 on: July 02, 2013, 09:35:57 PM »
It's true that just because you're broken not everything will get solved and honestly if they got out of the Yotsuba it's Tatsuya who would require protection not Miyuki.
But Tatsuya is already in the military, are you saying that somehow every super power magician in the world belongs to a clan ? I'm pretty sure there is at least a few that do just fine by belonging to the army or some other entity, and Japan must be VERY interested in keeping tatsuya safe and all, the guy can blow up cities, how can they not be ?
And if he needs the help of another clan I have no doubt that considering his and his sisters abilities they would be more than welcome in any of the other 10 Master Clan so yeah.

i already said this many times. He is too Hax , too dangerous and his SC magic threaten other countries. he will be targeted by the whole world

so you think the country is reliable in this case ?
for me, Yotsuba is much more better than the Country ( Japan ).
go to USNA if you want protection ( i'm sure his freedom will be very limited  ).

about other Clan,  their treatment will better than Yotsuba or not ?  especialy for Miyuki ? Her future is assured in the Clan. there is no reason why he/they would leave the Clan.

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« Reply #5026 on: July 02, 2013, 09:08:34 PM »
agree, He is a servant, a bodyguard but he doesn't act like one. he even disobeyed orders.

can you give me more explaination about  the higher ups in the Yotsuba ?
I don't remember having read about that


first. because miyuki can't leave Yotsuba

second. i will use Vampirecat post
Tatsuya is fully aware of how well Yotsuba influence buffers and protects his and Miyuki's everyday life. If he were to openly break ties with Yotsuba, he and Miyuki would require another protector to take over. The government and military aren't exactly that reliable in this case. None of the other 10 Master clans are up to Yotsuba standard, either.

don't think that because you're Super Strong you can do anything, can go everywhere without worrying about anything. it's very tiring if at any time you're being targeted by enemy.

it's different if he don't draw attention to the world ( especially JSDF ) in the Past Arc. after the event, he should be very careful on doing anything.


and one more, what tatsuya want ? freedom ? what kind of freedom ?
think about it.

It's true that just because you're broken not everything will get solved and honestly if they got out of the Yotsuba it's Tatsuya who would require protection not Miyuki.
But Tatsuya is already in the military, are you saying that somehow every super power magician in the world belongs to a clan ? I'm pretty sure there is at least a few that do just fine by belonging to the army or some other entity, and Japan must be VERY interested in keeping tatsuya safe and all, the guy can blow up cities, how can they not be ?
And if he needs the help of another clan I have no doubt that considering his and his sisters abilities they would be more than welcome in any of the other 10 Master Clan so yeah.

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« Reply #5025 on: July 02, 2013, 08:51:14 PM »
If you don't understand why Miyuki & Tatsuya still follow the Yotsuba, read the last part of Hakaze's previous post (on this page, a little above), the quote from Vampirecast!!
An organisation made of strong people is more powerfull than a single super strong individual, not to mention influence, support, information gathering etc...
Tatsuya & Miyuki are strong, not invincible...

Also, children are like fresh cement, everything that touch them leave a mark that last
Miyuki was raised with the mindset of loyalty toward the clan, even if she doesn't agree with everything, she can't turn them down on a whim

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« Reply #5024 on: July 02, 2013, 08:49:15 PM »
There is nothing to indicate they despise him.  In the scenes we've seen they've only gotten upset when he has acted higher than his proper status as a lowly expendable servant. 

agree, He is a servant, a bodyguard but he doesn't act like one. he even disobeyed orders.

The facts from the novel are only the higher ups in the Yotsuba Clan know of his secret offensive abilities.

can you give me more explaination about  the higher ups in the Yotsuba ?
I don't remember having read about that

It's not just that, to be honest I don't get why Tatsuya keeps submitting himself to them I mean yeah sure they are a very powerful clan and probably the strongest in the entire country, but Tatsuya by himself is the best engineer in the world, probably the best strategic class magician in the world and one of the wielders of some uniques skills that no one has and allow him to become one of th strongest fighters in the world, now MAYBE that's not as what the Yotsuba can do combined(i seriously doubt it) it should still be enough to consider Tatsuya a massive power in Japan and in the entire world, and just because a power is weaker than yours doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want with it because in a showdown even if you win somehow you will still be considerably weaker if you fought an entity of near equal power and that isn't good.


first. because miyuki can't leave Yotsuba

second. i will use Vampirecat post
Tatsuya is fully aware of how well Yotsuba influence buffers and protects his and Miyuki's everyday life. If he were to openly break ties with Yotsuba, he and Miyuki would require another protector to take over. The government and military aren't exactly that reliable in this case. None of the other 10 Master clans are up to Yotsuba standard, either.

don't think that because you're Super Strong you can do anything, can go everywhere without worrying about anything. it's very tiring if at any time you're being targeted by enemy.

it's different if he don't draw attention to the world ( especially JSDF ) in the Past Arc. after the event, he should be very careful on doing anything.


and one more, what tatsuya want ? freedom ? what kind of freedom ?
think about it.

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« Reply #5023 on: July 02, 2013, 08:42:36 PM »
It's not just that, to be honest I don't get why Tatsuya keeps submitting himself to them I mean yeah sure they are a very powerful clan and probably the strongest in the entire country, but Tatsuya by himself is the best engineer in the world, probably the best strategic class magician in the world and one of the wielders of some uniques skills that no one has and allow him to become one of th strongest fighters in the world, now MAYBE that's not as what the Yotsuba can do combined(i seriously doubt it) it should still be enough to consider Tatsuya a massive power in Japan and in the entire world, and just because a power is weaker than yours doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want with it because in a showdown even if you win somehow you will still be considerably weaker if you fought an entity of near equal power and that isn't good.

And, I don't understand why Miyuki keeps following Yotsuba. When they treat her brother like that. Given how precious Tatsuya is to her. Unless, she was also brainwashed. Remember, she seem to have headaches when trying to remember somethings. Either that or Tatsuya told her the timing wasn't quite correct,  which I highly doubt.

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« Reply #5022 on: July 02, 2013, 08:27:13 PM »
About the Yotsuba's treatment on Tatsuya. It's logical with their merit of what an elite (Yotsuba) should be capable of, while illogical on everything else considering that Tatsuya can probably destroy the whole clan of their elites if he wants to, far smarter and capable than them in magic knowledge and CAD development, having amazing skills that seem to be useful than theirs, etc.

It's not just that, to be honest I don't get why Tatsuya keeps submitting himself to them I mean yeah sure they are a very powerful clan and probably the strongest in the entire country, but Tatsuya by himself is the best engineer in the world, probably the best strategic class magician in the world and one of the wielders of some uniques skills that no one has and allow him to become one of th strongest fighters in the world, now MAYBE that's not as what the Yotsuba can do combined(i seriously doubt it) it should still be enough to consider Tatsuya a massive power in Japan and in the entire world, and just because a power is weaker than yours doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want with it because in a showdown even if you win somehow you will still be considerably weaker if you fought an entity of near equal power and that isn't good.

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« Reply #5021 on: July 02, 2013, 07:22:16 PM »
Head of the clan... The whole clan despises him... Sorta the whole...
There is nothing to indicate they despise him.  In the scenes we've seen they've only gotten upset when he has acted higher than his proper status as a lowly expendable servant. 

 
i believe the only one know about Tatsuya's MB in Yotsuba house is Maya.
Maya hold the key here, i don't know if she want to revealed tats capabilities or not.
The facts from the novel are only the higher ups in the Yotsuba Clan know of his secret offensive abilities. Tatsuya's engineering secrets were to be kept hidden until he finished high scool. The agreement between the 101st and Yotsuba is no one can learn of Tatsuya's identity and she is unhappy about the little bits that were revealed so far on Scorched Halloween, which Tatsuya also regrets.

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« Reply #5020 on: July 02, 2013, 04:43:32 PM »
About the Yotsuba's treatment on Tatsuya. It's logical with their merit of what an elite (Yotsuba) should be capable of, while illogical on everything else considering that Tatsuya can probably destroy the whole clan of their elites if he wants to, far smarter and capable than them in magic knowledge and CAD development, having amazing skills that seem to be useful than theirs, etc.

i believe the only one know about Tatsuya's MB in Yotsuba house is Maya.
Maya hold the key here, i don't know if she want to revealed tats capabilities or not.

and about tats destroy the whole clan,i believe he won't do that.

Vampirecat post below is the best option for tatsuya.
I think Tatsuya is fully aware of how well Yotsuba influence buffers and protects his and Miyuki's everyday life. If he were to openly break ties with Yotsuba, he and Miyuki would require another protector to take over. The government and military aren't exactly that reliable in this case. None of the other 10 Master clans are up to Yotsuba standard, either.

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« Reply #5019 on: July 02, 2013, 04:32:05 PM »
Tatsuya can't become the head because his little sister is more talented than him in standard magic, but also because his combat abilities are too strong.
And since the treatment his mother and aunt gave him when he was a child he doesn't have a speck sentiment of loyalty for Yotsuba clan, it could be dangerous for them in the future

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« Reply #5018 on: July 02, 2013, 03:49:36 PM »
About the Yotsuba's treatment on Tatsuya. It's logical with their merit of what an elite (Yotsuba) should be capable of, while illogical on everything else considering that Tatsuya can probably destroy the whole clan of their elites if he wants to, far smarter and capable than them in magic knowledge and CAD development, having amazing skills that seem to be useful than theirs, etc.

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« Reply #5017 on: July 02, 2013, 01:55:32 PM »
I don't get it. Forget his specialized strategic magic ability. Considering that he can cast ordinary magic faster due to his flash cast coupled with his high capacity, I think he's more than qualified to be promoted from being a guardian to be a candidate for the next head, right? There's no reason to take all that shit from the clan-


Imo, comparing Tatsuya (only using his Flash Cast) and a superb magician is similar to comparing a mathematical savant* that can do any basic mathematical computation in a blink of an eye and a mathematician who works with complex calculus.  

*Savants are people with mental disabilities (ex: autism) that give them exceptional skills in very limited fields.  For example, <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/2020/autistic-savant-daniel-tammet-solves-problems-blink-eye/story?id=10759598">Daniel Tammet</a> who has completed feats such as instantly calculating 27^7 and mastering the Icelandic language in a week.  

Basically, what I'm saying is that the Yotsuba doesn't care whether or not Tatsuya can cast simple spells faster than anybody else; because he is unable to cast complicated spells, it makes him ineligible for head.  It's similar to how engineering/physics/etc companies would choose to hire the skilled mathematician rather than the mathematical savant.  

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5016 on: July 02, 2013, 11:34:50 AM »
Head of the clan... The whole clan despises him... Sorta the whole...

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5015 on: July 02, 2013, 10:40:35 AM »
I don't get it. Forget his specialized strategic magic ability. Considering that he can cast ordinary magic faster due to his flash cast coupled with his high capacity, I think he's more than qualified to be promoted from being a guardian to be a candidate for the next head, right?
Nope, Flash cast is limited and weak. Unless it is used indirectly or at very close range, a strong magician can easily resist its direct effects or has a chance to counter its indirect effects. This is proven in his fight against Stardust.

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« Reply #5014 on: July 02, 2013, 09:44:28 AM »
That is part of the plot
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It's one of the reasons he is wary of her (in the beginning), I think

I don't get it. Forget his specialized strategic magic ability. Considering that he can cast ordinary magic faster due to his flash cast coupled with his high capacity, I think he's more than qualified to be promoted from being a guardian to be a candidate for the next head, right? There's no reason to take all that shit from the clan-

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« Reply #5013 on: July 02, 2013, 04:21:01 AM »
I bet Tatsuya could learn to teleport if he tried hard enough. Didn't it say somewhere that there is no distance in the information realm? (Or whatever its called) Which is why he can use  Material Burst on China while standing in Japan and see the effects of the magic as soon as its used (No time lag). It's also why he can alsways check on Miyuki and defend her from anywhere no matter where he is. So technically as long as he is viewing his target with elemental sight through the information layer all he needs to figure out is how to move himself through the information layer (Like a gate or something?) and he would be at his destination immediately since there is no since of distance there.
The best way I can think of for Tatsuya to use teleportation through his innate ability would only allow him to move to a location where he has already been by copying the location information of himself a few moments before.

Also do we have any ideas about the abilities of the rest of the 10 master clans besides the Juumonji(barriers), Saegusa(Everything?), Yotsuba(Mental+Unique Abilities), Ichijou(Make water explode) and Kudo(Illusions?)

Exactly there is no distance because the concept of movement does not exist in the Eidos. So if you think of the Eidos as a completed puzzle and the information bodies of the objects as pieces of the puzzle, switching or moving one piece will not actually affect the physical location of the corresponding object.

Also, try to remember that restoring information is not the same as creating information.

Saegusa specialize in rapid multi-targeting according to recent translations of D7.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5012 on: July 02, 2013, 03:33:18 AM »
The best way I can think of for Tatsuya to use teleportation through his innate ability would only allow him to move to a location where he has already been by copying the location information of himself a few moments before.

Also do we have any ideas about the abilities of the rest of the 10 master clans besides the Juumonji(barriers), Saegusa(Everything?), Yotsuba(Mental+Unique Abilities), Ichijou(Make water explode) and Kudo(Illusions?)

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« Reply #5011 on: July 01, 2013, 11:54:26 PM »
That is one of the reasons Kudo referred to Tatsuya as the only viable/successful subject
I don't believe so, there was nothing in what he metioned that actually relates to Miya and Maya's experiment and Kudo's comment on being surprised about how powerful Tatsuya's ability was, doesn't match with how weak his Flash casting and artificial mpc abilities are.

I see no reason to necro recent regrowth discusion, i belive everyone said about it what they wanted, myself included. As for vulnerabilites: because it is just magic. It works by using psions to overwrite information body, like any other magic. Yeah effect is genuine but every magic defense and antymagic focus on preventing this from happening.
Only if someone had they same innate abilities as he did could they cancel his magic or counter him with interferance. But that would mean a 2nd person with uniquely unstoppable magic. Stealth magic, psion barriers, data fortification, spirit barriers and other similar defensive magic can and have all been instantly destroyed once he locked onto them due to the unique nature of his magic works.

He confirms hmself in the novel that he can destroy Juumonji's and Lina's defensive magics, but the problem he faces is that due to their skill and magical talent they can spam the defensive magics just as fast as he can destroy them.

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« Reply #5010 on: July 01, 2013, 11:50:56 PM »
I bet Tatsuya could learn to teleport if he tried hard enough. Didn't it say somewhere that there is no distance in the information realm? (Or whatever its called) Which is why he can use  Material Burst on China while standing in Japan and see the effects of the magic as soon as its used (No time lag). It's also why he can alsways check on Miyuki and defend her from anywhere no matter where he is. So technically as long as he is viewing his target with elemental sight through the information layer all he needs to figure out is how to move himself through the information layer (Like a gate or something?) and he would be at his destination immediately since there is no since of distance there.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5009 on: July 01, 2013, 09:52:06 PM »
You do understand that due to his auto magic Tatsuya is pretty much immortal, right. And why do you believe his magic vulnerable like any other? The only real vulnerability per say would be Tatsuya's casting speed limitations as a magician. His magic is pretty much unstoppable.

I see no reason to necro recent regrowth discusion, i belive everyone said about it what they wanted, myself included. As for vulnerabilites: because it is just magic. It works by using psions to overwrite information body, like any other magic. Yeah effect is genuine but every magic defense and antymagic focus on preventing this from happening. Decomposition isn't any different, sheer fact that actualy time is taken to bypass simplest of them testify to this. It doesn't really matter how for example weak data fortification is, as long as you are able to re-establish it information body won't be overwritten(principle behind phalanx is good example of that and in itself it is nothing beyond circular brething). There is also interference strenght to take into acount, because even if that singular defense is backed by interference superior to the incomming one change won't happen. Example of Lina vs Miyuki ball thingy more or less show how that works. Apperently there is also psion density to take into account (gram demolition vs bias release realtionship)... In the end whether someone win, lose or die will be decided by those factors and authors will ... not because of compound, elaborate and brilliant "pewpewpew" decompose magic cult  ... i don't know whether one should cry, laugh or give a lolipop ... but w/e using hydrogen to cause thermobaric explosions check, mist thingy check foab double check ...

Rather than impossible it is more due to the fact its an untested and an unknown area. Tatsuya started contemplating possible human spirit theories after learning about the vamps to help distract himself from Honoka and Miyuki cuddling him on the school rooftop.
I did point out : at this point in time ... but to be honest i see little need for such ability ...

Shouldn't true teleportation be a gravity-type (or spatial-type??) magic??
Since teloportation is going instantly from point A to point B, it can be achieved by bending space (using strong gravitational magic) so point A and point B overlap (if you have problem understanding, take a paper (which would mimic space), draw point A at the top, point B at the bottom, then bend the paper so A and B overlap)!! Passing from A to B would be instantaneous, and after releasing the magic the space would return to normal...
Well... with this technique, it looks like it would require a lot of might, so I wonder... maybe not? What do you think?

technically teleportation is a way to transfer matter from one point to another without traversing the physical space between them. Your "jump drive" if employed into magic would indeed be systematic gravity magic(to be honest i'm not sure whether that's the only concept acceptable by hard-sci-fi) ... but that not the only concept of teleportation by sci-fi in general. In mknr classification would depend on mechanics involved ...  If teleportation was supposed to work more in line of decomposition and regrowth it would be hard to clasify (since rather than phenomena manipulation within system it is manipulation of information body itself that trigger effect in human realm)... As a side note ppl for example miss the fact that if decomposition is systematic magic across 4 systems then trident is specialized cad working on general system or 4 high coupling specialized systems or maybe general cad undercover or maybe he is used just for looks  ... hilarious in its own way

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-10+
« Reply #5008 on: July 01, 2013, 08:14:01 PM »
Shouldn't true teleportation be a gravity-type (or spatial-type??) magic??
Maybe.  Tatsuya pretty much teleports stuff when he restores them after they been destroyed also. I believe this is what happened when Lina blew away his arm when he started daydreaming after being asked to surrender.