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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-08+
« Reply #3732 on: February 26, 2013, 08:03:32 PM »
With the advent of flight magic a high psion count will become more useful again.

About the guardian issue-
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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-08+
« Reply #3731 on: February 26, 2013, 06:31:01 PM »
I think there's a reference about Guardian System was establish after Maya kidnap event, so: 2062 minus 2096, well, you are right its 30, 34?? to be accurate.
About their duty and the life long term: The Head of House have authority to regulate, approve, move, dismiss or whatsoever think its best to the House, Sakurai died not cuz protecting Maya (her duty), she did protecting Tats, other guardian and outcast from Main Branch, I not saying its like that with Tats, but far I read on some parts, like Vol1 reference about being tool provider and not guardian and Maya order on Vol 8, made me think, they have been trying to "assign" another role to him, which btw is not Guardian.

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EDIT: About High Psions counts context on Vol3 its about Who could do magic now and prequirements to do, so before a really fewer people whom could perfomance magic and now is little bit more, context We been talking its the perfomance of Magicians could have high psions counts the not, still, people with that traits but not talented in magic, well, dont do anything, put it simple: I been talking High Psions count as will be stamina instead.

then it depends on their Point of View, if this is important or not.

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« Reply #3730 on: February 26, 2013, 05:51:03 PM »
Where did you get the 30 years value? As far as I remember reading, guardian role its for life, dismissal or death.

I think there's a reference about Guardian System was establish after Maya kidnap event, so: 2062 minus 2096, well, you are right its 30, 34?? to be accurate.
About their duty and the life long term: The Head of House have authority to regulate, approve, move, dismiss or whatsoever think its best to the House, Sakurai died not cuz protecting Maya (her duty), she did protecting Tats, other guardian and outcast from Main Branch, I not saying its like that with Tats, but far I read on some parts, like Vol1 reference about being tool provider and not guardian and Maya order on Vol 8, made me think, they have been trying to "assign" another role to him, which btw is not Guardian.

About Miyuki marriage, I don't remember exactly where but I think there's a part where She ready think about it and the implications in her relations with Tats when that comes, add to this I think Miyuki is posesive type, so its not like she will not give Tats to other Woman, like say: Lina or Honoka, but her sense of love are very in that are among others, with Honoka at least, she kind of tricky, I not sure with Lina how goes cuz still lacking info, but She "approves" Honoka knowing shes not Tats type of woman could raise his interest, on the other side she on defensive and over aware from Mayumi, in the beginning Miyuki suspect from Mari and Mayumi, but later she focus on Mayumi, as I said before: Miyuki actions acknowledge Mayumi as "love rival" or at least someone whom could awake or ready did, Tats interests about woman's and that's too much to say.
I think the author ready knows about psychological cases where patients don have emotions, like rage, love and similar s or being too logical, if you have he time for classic, please see "Raiman", with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise, with this you people will known, Tats conditions can be "restart" to get the concept of "emotions" and probably feeling, if we take like say when on the conference center during Yokohama incident he stayed and no leaving to not left behind Leo, Ercka and co, is clues about his internal changes.

EDIT: About High Psions counts context on Vol3 its about Who could do magic now and prequirements to do, so before in time a really few people whom could cast magic and now is little bit more easy to do and that means more people could do, so in the context We been talking its the performance of Magicians could have high psions counts and the ones don't, still, people with that traits (like Tats dad) but not talented in magic, well, don't do anything, put it simple: I been talking High Psions count as will be stamina instead.

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« Reply #3729 on: February 26, 2013, 05:18:49 PM »
:lovely:

I think Koichi will be more than happy if his grandchildren only got high or like I think ridiculously psions counts, cuz according Mayumi, high standard Magician could made 2 GD shot PER DAY and Tats with the seal, made more than 12 continuously in the final stand against Ichijou or better say: he shot in 30 minutes the equivalent or more than 20 high standard Magicians do in a day (24 hrs).
Think Mayumi magic with high psions count, no mention BS Magic or other DNA traits.

 :fangirl: :1000furyslap:  :rumble:

BTW: honestly I think this Koichi ultimate goal, hes too sly to believe this the only plan he have and very risky  ...
 :smwisu:


emmm i re-read again volume3, there is this line

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For example, thirty years ago Activation Sequences weren't as well understood as they are today, so the transition from Activation Sequences to the construction of Magic Sequences was so slow that it cannot be compared to today. Magic Sequence efficiency was also pretty low and, when compared to the current day and age, it required several times more psions to construct an equally effective Magic Sequence.

At that time, the standards for power of Magicians emphasized the psion count within the Magician's body (which included both the physical body and the mental "body") rather than focusing on the speed of Magic Sequence construction. By the old standards, both Tatsuya and Miyuki's psion count would rate as top tier.

Thanks to the improvements in Activation Sequences, Magic Sequences and CADs, a limited psion count wouldn't cause the same problems with magic invocation. Excluding "Non-Systematic Magic" techniques that directly released psions, a high psion count is only seen as a beautiful decoration now.

so, high psion count is not important nowadays

Does anybody know the relationship between Maya and Koichi in the present? I wonder if he even knows that she's the head of Yotsuba if everything about them. is so mysterious

their relationship ? probably it's called RIVAL

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-08+
« Reply #3728 on: February 26, 2013, 04:59:40 PM »
I think his role as Guardian has been demoted to other uses, if you people remember before he went to 1st High he mentally talk about his Dad and others Clan members see him as "Tool provider", I know somebody will come and say its cuz his role for life, but guardians role only have like 30 years and not like "sacred duty" like in SAO, plus, I think the Clan Head authority can overcome that issue, if someone like Tats prove its a waste to only be bodyguard as Retsu said.

Where did you get the 30 years value? As far as I remember reading, guardian role its for life, dismissal or death.

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« Reply #3727 on: February 26, 2013, 04:12:01 PM »
I believe its public knowledge who the Yotsuba head is seeing as Mari contemplates on the 2 most powerful numbered families and acknowledges Maya as one of the most powerful magicians in the modern era, The "Maou of the Far East", the "Midnight Queen" and Head of the Yotsuba in V3.
It seems that way but the novel only ever describes them as 2 separate magics.

my mistake then :3

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-08+
« Reply #3726 on: February 26, 2013, 03:33:29 PM »
true, but the difference is that the yotsuba are the most secret of all the clans while the saegusa are the most public of all of them. So him knowing or not is up for discussion.
I believe its public knowledge who the Yotsuba head is seeing as Mari contemplates on the 2 most powerful numbered families and acknowledges Maya as one of the most powerful magicians in the modern era, The "Maou of the Far East", the "Midnight Queen" and Head of the Yotsuba in V3.

Is Tatsuya's Decomposition/Regeneration Magic similar to BS Magic? If so, why two types if it is supposed to be specialized in a single magic? Can they be one magic that is expressed in two different ways?
It seems that way but the novel only ever describes them as 2 separate magics.


Is it ever mentioned if Tatsuya's Magic has a genetic component? Same thing for BS Magic; is that genetic? Will it be passed down to descendants or will they gain normal magical abilities?
For the Yotsuba clan it has been explained in the V8 SS that extremely distorted and specialised magic calculation areas is one of their genetic traits but it I believe that having one so specialised that one can't use other magic such as a BS magician is normally rare.  The fact that the clan has such a genetic trait makes me believe they must have had a fair share of BS or BS like magicians.

IMO there is one more advantage for the Saegusa for Mayumi to marry Tatsyuya, and that is Tatsyuya superlative engineering expertise. After the nine school competition, big companies are already trying to get him. If the Saegusa get him, then will also get access to his engineering skill.
However according to Yotsuba family practice, a guardian can only be release from his duty by death or when his master does not want his service anymore. It will be difficult to persuade Miyuki to give up her brother. Not to mention that for Tatsyuya protecting Miyuki is the most important thing in world for him.
I also agree that they are so attached to each other its hard for me to think of it happening.  Because he is a black sheep of the main family and no longer considered a family member but a life long servant, I believe it unlikely the Yotsuba would agree anyway. Especially since they would be giving their most powerful rival's a link to one of their most powerful assets.  I see no benefit for the Yotsuba to agree. Kudo also probably wouldn't want such a powerful magician going to the other most powerful Master clan for the same reason he wants the Yotsuba weakened.

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« Reply #3725 on: February 26, 2013, 03:19:33 PM »
Besides what Chimurry said, for Saegusa, a political alliance with Yotsuba and access to the 101—or from Kudou's perspective, the weakening of Tatsuya's ties to Yotsuba and therefore a weakening of Yotsuba's power.

Remember, when Tatsuya blocked all but 2 of the 16 attacks Masaki threw at him, that was just the final stage. He'd already been flinging GD after GS to block Masaki's attacks from the very start. Also, Mayumi said that she herself couldn't even manage 1 GD shot with her psion count—and for sure Mayumi would be considered among the top tier of Magicians by modern standards.
:yabai: :icey:   
well, what I need to add except the mean of the word ridiculous Psions count??

yes if it was a generalization of BS magic or highly powerful magic, then you could say its genetics. Everyone in the yotsubas seems to be a monster in some way shape or form. I was replying in the sense of tats magic being genetically inherited by the previous generation (father and mother).
 :hot:

Yeah, well for the Clan members was a failure in their breeding intentions, still I think Maya plans are to use his DNA, adding Miyuki in other marriage to spread the super psions count in order to the Clan could have more and more members with that ability, like say: 1st gen=2 individuals, 2nd gen= minimum 2, 4 will be the usual, 3rd gen= 8, if like Saegusa or Chiba will be more.
I think his role as Guardian has been demoted to other uses, if you people remember before he went to 1st High he mentally talk about his Dad and others Clan members see him as "Tool provider", I know somebody will come and say its cuz his role for life, but guardians role only have like 30 years and not like "sacred duty" like in SAO, plus, I think the Clan Head authority can overcome that issue, if someone like Tats prove its a waste to only be bodyguard as Retsu said.

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« Reply #3724 on: February 26, 2013, 03:00:13 PM »
:magni:

Its genetic in the sense of the BS type, Yotsuba lineage have the same "roots" but differ in the application, if I remember well, Miya born magic its considered impossible USNA scientifics, Maya, Miyuki, Miya, Tats, their Grandpa among others direct blood family members have BS and very powerfull magic application with high risks to their health and even their life.

 :study:

Strictly basically speaking Tats have one highly specialized born BS magic, which allow him deconstruct or construct the original EIDOS, this is the reason He wasn't acknowledged as "Magician" by his family (base on the World definition and concept) and with that been outcast from Yotsuba and his birth right to be the next Head.
Magic to them its "create", like I said before: you take hidrogen plus oxygen and made water or take water and decompose to oxygen and hidrogen (its just an example, I think  I need to write the whole formula), Tats birth magic before his operation was take the original object, decompose and compose again, so he cannot "create".

yes if it was a generalization of BS magic or highly powerful magic, then you could say its genetics. Everyone in the yotsubas seems to be a monster in some way shape or form. I was replying in the sense of tats magic being genetically inherited by the previous generation (father and mother).

 :hot:

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« Reply #3723 on: February 26, 2013, 02:53:11 PM »
IMO there is one more advantage for the Saegusa for Mayumi to marry Tatsyuya, and that is Tatsyuya superlative engineering expertise. After the nine school competition, big companies are already trying to get him. If the Saegusa get him, then will also get access to his engineering skill.
However according to Yotsuba family practice, a guardian can only be release from his duty by death or when his master does not want his service anymore. It will be difficult to persuade Miyuki to give up her brother. Not to mention that for Tatsyuya protecting Miyuki is the most important thing in world for him.

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« Reply #3722 on: February 26, 2013, 02:49:05 PM »
I believe tats decomposition and restoration magics are one sides of the same coin. He can atomize external objects into its most fundamental components and subsequently, he can also restore said objects from its most fundamental state. By definition it has been compared to BS magic.

No, it has never been mentioned that tats magic is genetic. It is also not genetic due to the fact that both his parents do not possess said magic. The only thing I know that got passed down to the shiba siblings is the bug psion levels from their father.

 :magni:

Its genetic in the sense of the BS type, Yotsuba lineage have the same "roots" but differ in the application, if I remember well, Miya born magic its considered impossible USNA scientifics, Maya, Miyuki, Miya, Tats, their Grandpa among others direct blood family members have BS and very powerfull magic application with high risks to their health and even their life.

 :study:

Strictly basically speaking Tats have one highly specialized born BS magic, which allow him deconstruct or construct the original EIDOS, this is the reason He wasn't acknowledged as "Magician" by his family (base on the World definition and concept) and with that been outcast from Yotsuba and his birth right to be the next Head.
Magic to them its "create", like I said before: you take hidrogen plus oxygen and made water or take water and decompose to oxygen and hidrogen (its just an example, I think  I need to write the whole formula), Tats birth magic before his operation was take the original object, decompose and compose again, so he cannot "create".

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« Reply #3721 on: February 26, 2013, 02:24:33 PM »
Okay, so I tried to search for answers to the following questions but wasn't able to find anything concrete (this may also be due to the fact that I'm new to the site). :huh:

  • Is Tatsuya's Decomposition/Regeneration Magic similar to BS Magic? If so, why two types if it is supposed to be specialized in a single magic? Can they be one magic that is expressed in two different ways?
  • Is it ever mentioned if Tatsuya's Magic has a genetic component? Same thing for BS Magic; is that genetic? Will it be passed down to descendants or will they gain normal magical abilities?

Thanks!

I believe tats decomposition and restoration magics are one sides of the same coin. He can atomize external objects into its most fundamental components and subsequently, he can also restore said objects from its most fundamental state. By definition it has been compared to BS magic.

No, it has never been mentioned that tats magic is genetic. It is also not genetic due to the fact that both his parents do not possess said magic. The only thing I know that got passed down to the shiba siblings is the bug psion levels from their father.

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« Reply #3720 on: February 26, 2013, 01:12:36 PM »
Okay, so I tried to search for answers to the following questions but wasn't able to find anything concrete (this may also be due to the fact that I'm new to the site). :huh:

  • Is Tatsuya's Decomposition/Regeneration Magic similar to BS Magic? If so, why two types if it is supposed to be specialized in a single magic? Can they be one magic that is expressed in two different ways?
  • Is it ever mentioned if Tatsuya's Magic has a genetic component? Same thing for BS Magic; is that genetic? Will it be passed down to descendants or will they gain normal magical abilities?

Thanks!

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« Reply #3719 on: February 26, 2013, 12:16:38 PM »
He knows. I mean, wouldn't all the family heads be known to each other? Maya definitely knows Koichi is head of the Saegusa.

true, but the difference is that the yotsuba are the most secret of all the clans while the saegusa are the most public of all of them. So him knowing or not is up for discussion.

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« Reply #3718 on: February 26, 2013, 12:12:13 PM »
I wonder, who's the head of the 9 family? From the way Kudou was introduced, it isn't him. But he seems to be doing a lot of behind-the-scenes political maneuvering that I'd expect from the head of the 9 family.

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« Reply #3717 on: February 26, 2013, 11:51:41 AM »
He knows. I mean, wouldn't all the family heads be known to each other? Maya definitely knows Koichi is head of the Saegusa.

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« Reply #3716 on: February 26, 2013, 11:43:14 AM »
Does anybody know the relationship between Maya and Koichi in the present? I wonder if he even knows that she's the head of Yotsuba if everything about them. is so mysterious

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« Reply #3715 on: February 26, 2013, 10:47:09 AM »
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Besides what Chimurry said, for Saegusa, a political alliance with Yotsuba and access to the 101—or from Kudou's perspective, the weakening of Tatsuya's ties to Yotsuba and therefore a weakening of Yotsuba's power.

I think Koichi will be more than happy if his grandchildren only got high or like I think ridiculously psions counts, cuz according Mayumi high standard Magician could made 2 GD shot PER DAY and Tats with the seal made more than 12 continuously or better say: he shot in 30 minutes the equivalent of 16 high standard Magicians do in a day.

Remember, when Tatsuya blocked all but 2 of the 16 attacks Masaki threw at him, that was just the final stage. He'd already been flinging GD after GS to block Masaki's attacks from the very start. Also, Mayumi said that she herself couldn't even manage 1 GD shot with her psion count—and for sure Mayumi would be considered among the top tier of Magicians by modern standards.

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« Reply #3714 on: February 26, 2013, 10:45:19 AM »
emmmm


Yotsuba : ..... okay, i buy it   :hi:

Saegusa : you mean could par 4th clan in Quality of power , right ?  errrr, they will probably get Tat's high psion count, his inteligent, but i'm not quite sure about his magic because he only has 2 natural abilities, except they try to create another Nuclear Silo  :wahaha:  or  restoration  :p!ssed:.

 :lovely:

I think Koichi will be more than happy if his grandchildren only got high or like I think ridiculously psions counts, cuz according Mayumi, high standard Magician could made 2 GD shot PER DAY and Tats with the seal, made more than 12 continuously in the final stand against Ichijou or better say: he shot in 30 minutes the equivalent or more than 20 high standard Magicians do in a day (24 hrs).
Think Mayumi magic with high psions count, no mention BS Magic or other DNA traits.

 :fangirl: :1000furyslap:  :rumble:

BTW: honestly I think this Koichi ultimate goal, hes too sly to believe this the only plan he have and very risky  ...
 :smwisu:

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« Reply #3713 on: February 26, 2013, 10:26:46 AM »
:ghoststories:

Yotsuba: Peace among 10th Masters Clans, at least on the 2nd most powefull after them, lessing the conflicts sparks with others Japan Magicians, this could help consolidate their power without vital or strategic losses, reducing unnecessary battles or quarrels, Maya could use this as catalyzer among Miyuki and Tats relationship, the risks of incest could give problems in the mid future for the Clan, due Public Opinion and Political stand out (I ready mentioned MKnR Society seems lot more conservative than now, like say the dress codes and the women shouldn't show skin in public), I think this the real deal why sending Sakurai, to slow down any sexual intention, in the old Rome, its was common Political marriage and side concubines, like Julius Caesar with Cleopatra (he was officially married with high member of Junio Clan, on MKnR, Tats/Miyuki dad was officially married with Miya, but his Personal relationship was with early ages love (don't remember her name now).
Saegusa: DNA by descendants, so in 30 years max they could pair 4th Clan power.

emmmm


Yotsuba : ..... okay, i buy it   :hi:

Saegusa : you mean could par 4th clan in Quality of power , right ?  errrr, they will probably get Tat's high psion count, his inteligent, but i'm not quite sure about his magic because he only has 2 natural abilities, except they try to create another Nuclear Silo  :wahaha:  or  restoration  :p!ssed:.

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« Reply #3712 on: February 26, 2013, 10:19:18 AM »
On further thought, only Katsuto knows about his membership in 101. The others you mentioned only know that he's secret military. Recall that Kazama didn't divulge his unit to them.

First part of a new school year and another attack by an anti-magic faction. Deja vu, anyone?

In any case, Koichi's plan to expose Tatsuya all rides on the assault of the anti-magic faction being able to force him to use his abilities in public before many witnesses. So if Tatsuya can put down the attack without using his abilities, then Koichi's screwed since he allowed an attack by an anti-magic faction on civilians and students. He would also get into trouble with the government for attempting to expose their unregistered Strategic-class asset.

Koichi is likely unaware that Tatsuya is the unregistered Strategic-class magician that nuked China. He is also most definitely unaware that Tatsuya possesses Elemental Sight, which will prove useful in foreseeing any surprise attacks and allow him to get into a more favorable position.

True. But anyone amoung the Ten Clans like Mayumi might know about the 101

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« Reply #3711 on: February 26, 2013, 09:49:20 AM »
errrrr

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 :ghoststories:

Yotsuba: Peace among 10th Masters Clans, at least on the 2nd most powefull after them, lessing the conflicts sparks with others Japan Magicians, this could help consolidate their power without vital or strategic losses, reducing unnecessary battles or quarrels, Maya could use this as catalyzer among Miyuki and Tats relationship, the risks of incest could give problems in the mid future for the Clan, due Public Opinion and Political stand out (I ready mentioned MKnR Society seems lot more conservative than our RL 2013 society, like say the dress codes and the women shouldn't show skin in public), I think this the real deal why sending Sakurai, to slow down any sexual intention, in the old Rome, its was common Political marriage and side concubines, like Julius Caesar with Cleopatra (he was officially married with high member of Junio Clan, on MKnR, Tats/Miyuki dad was officially married with Miya, but his Personal relationship was with early ages love (don't remember her name now).
Saegusa: DNA by descendants, so in 30 years max they could pair 4th Clan actual power.

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« Reply #3710 on: February 26, 2013, 09:23:55 AM »
Eh? How about:
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« Reply #3709 on: February 26, 2013, 09:08:42 AM »
I'm going to make a wild guess as to what the current plot will lead to in the end. (No grounds whatsoever.)

Eh? How about:
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« Reply #3708 on: February 26, 2013, 05:06:36 AM »
I'm going to make a wild guess as to what the current plot will lead to in the end. (No grounds whatsoever.)
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« Reply #3707 on: February 26, 2013, 01:02:46 AM »
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« Reply #3706 on: February 26, 2013, 12:19:36 AM »
What I tried to explain was wide area interference depends on a magician's interference strength using regular magic.  Tatsuya has no natural intereference capabilites with normal magic.  His natural ability can only use wide area interference to block someone else using decomposition magic or restoration magic in an area.

And against magic itself, the Decomposition Counter-Magic Gram Dispersion crushes any other magic since he only needs to edit only a bit of a magic sequence to cause it to fail.  Speed is required more than interference strength.

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« Reply #3705 on: February 25, 2013, 11:03:12 PM »
From the way I understand it, since he is only naturally talented with interference in his birth magics, only in a contest of restoration vs restoration or decomposition vs decompostion would he be supreme at such defensive intereference.

For regular magic he can successfully use such defenses only against magicians equal or weaker than him with regular magic.

Other powerful magicians can use it against his own magic however.  This is the reason why he 1st blew up Lina's CAD and only afterward attacked her body directly with Mist Dispersion.  The web novel explained while only semi-conscious from the explosion, she was no longer able to main her magical defences.  

Yes but what i was talking about is the ability to use wide area inteference to prevent other magicians from changing an area with their own magic, is he not able to use his birth interference for it ?(it is my understanding that this isn't a spell but an ability that every magician is born with at different levels of strength)
Now that you mentionned Lina, I was wondering if Tatsuya's interference strength is superior to hers and Miyuki's when his powers are unsealed seeing how he was able to negate both their magic at the same time when they were having a showdown.

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« Reply #3704 on: February 25, 2013, 10:22:13 PM »
From the way I understand it, since he is only naturally talented with interference in his birth magics, only in a contest of restoration vs restoration or decomposition vs decompostion would he be supreme at such defensive intereference.

For regular magic he can successfully use such defenses only against magicians equal or weaker than him with regular magic.

Other powerful magicians can use it against his own magic however.  This is the reason why he 1st blew up Lina's CAD and only afterward attacked her body directly with Mist Dispersion.  The web novel explained while only semi-conscious from the explosion, she was no longer able to main her magical defences.  

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« Reply #3703 on: February 25, 2013, 08:52:43 PM »
I was wondering, it seems that Tatsuya never uses Wide Area Interference, is he incapable of doing so ? I understand that the interference strength of his artificial magic processor is weak but doesn't he also have his own, the one for Restoration/Disintegration, why can't he use it(or can he) ?

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« Reply #3702 on: February 25, 2013, 12:43:31 PM »
Yes, Tatsuya would win. If Tatsuya had used Flash cast against Hattori and cast the same Acceleration spell that Hattori was going to use against him, Tatsuya would still have had an easy win. However, Flash cast is supposed to be kept a secret, which is why Tatsuya handicapped himself during the duel with Hattori and the Monolith Code finals, so he wouldn't use it openly in a duel that's not to the death. The reason Tatsuya's Oscillation magic attacks during the Monolith Code finals were so weak was because they were filtered through the low-end CAD.

yes! thank you for your answer. i think i will grab this answer until someone show/proven otherwise. why? 'cause i like tatsuya to be a freaking god among others!! even without his disintegration or restoration magic.

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« Reply #3701 on: February 25, 2013, 12:05:05 PM »
Then, suppose tatsuya and miyuki or mayumi or mari or suzune will fight and none has prepared any magic and the judge say:  start! Tatsuya attacks the heart of his opponent with a Flash cast magic, and his opponent start preparing her attack magic, so... who wins. if the opponent magic takes a little more time than Tatsuya's flash cast, Tatsuya win or I am wrong?.

that's what i want to know, 'cause some people say that's no the way flash cast work. so... can somebody explain this a little more in detail, because maybe possibly i didn't undertand it well, you know this magic thing in mahouka is quite complicated.

Yes, Tatsuya would win. If Tatsuya had used Flash cast against Hattori and cast the same Acceleration spell that Hattori was going to use against him, Tatsuya would still have had an easy win. However, Flash cast is supposed to be kept a secret, which is why Tatsuya handicapped himself during the duel with Hattori and the Monolith Code finals, so he wouldn't use it openly in a duel that's not to the death. The reason Tatsuya's Oscillation magic attacks during the Monolith Code finals were so weak was because they were filtered through the low-end CAD.

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« Reply #3700 on: February 25, 2013, 10:53:27 AM »
Then, suppose tatsuya and miyuki or mayumi or mari or suzune will fight and none has prepared any magic and the judge say:  start! Tatsuya attacks the heart of his opponent with a Flash cast magic, and his opponent start preparing her attack magic, so... who wins. if the opponent magic takes a little more time than Tatsuya's flash cast, Tatsuya win or I am wrong?.

that's what i want to know, 'cause some people say that's no the way flash cast work. so... can somebody explain this a little more in detail, because maybe possibly i didn't undertand it well, you know this magic thing in mahouka is quite complicated.

Indeed. But if it was a frontal attack, a powerful magician will be able to tank his attack no matter how fast because of his weak interference strength other than his birth magic. A good example is his match against hattori. He utilized physical speed to get behind hattori's view and used compound waves to knock him out.

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« Reply #3699 on: February 25, 2013, 10:43:58 AM »
Flash cast doesn't require a CAD and doesn't require a Magic Sequence to be constructed because Tatsuya already has the Magic Sequence memorized. There's no limitation in power, only in complexity. If the spell has too many components (6 or more stages), Tatsuya can't use Flash cast for it. So Flash cast is perfect for brute force applications, and consequences be damned, but it's no good for applications that require finesse.

Then, suppose tatsuya and miyuki or mayumi or mari or suzune will fight and none has prepared any magic and the judge say:  start! Tatsuya attacks the heart of his opponent with a Flash cast magic, and his opponent start preparing her attack magic, so... who wins. if the opponent magic takes a little more time than Tatsuya's flash cast, Tatsuya win or I am wrong?.

that's what i want to know, 'cause some people say that's no the way flash cast work. so... can somebody explain this a little more in detail, because maybe possibly i didn't undertand it well, you know this magic thing in mahouka is quite complicated.

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« Reply #3698 on: February 25, 2013, 10:16:44 AM »
then why did they say that it takes time to prepare the magic? :huh:
but with flash cast tatsuya doesn't need to prepare anything, right? or wrong?

that is the thing. Flash cast bypasses all that prep work. It starts from the result and ends in the result.

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« Reply #3697 on: February 25, 2013, 10:08:47 AM »
then why did they say that it takes time to prepare the magic? :huh:
but with flash cast tatsuya doesn't need to prepare anything, right? or wrong?

Flash cast doesn't require a CAD and doesn't require a Magic Sequence to be constructed because Tatsuya already has the Magic Sequence memorized. There's no limitation in power, only in complexity. If the spell has too many components (6 or more stages), Tatsuya can't use Flash cast for it. So Flash cast is perfect for brute force applications, and consequences be damned, but it's no good for applications that require finesse.

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« Reply #3696 on: February 25, 2013, 09:45:21 AM »
Flash cast allows Tatsuya to instantly use any "recorded" (he's seen or used it before) magic that contains five or fewer phases in it. Which covers about half of the known combat magics.

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« Reply #3695 on: February 25, 2013, 09:42:53 AM »
all combat magic is instantaneously casted. The concept of speed is nullified due to the imprinting of both magic sequence and activation sequence of magic.

then why did they say that it takes time to prepare the magic? :huh:
but with flash cast tatsuya doesn't need to prepare anything, right? or wrong?

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« Reply #3694 on: February 25, 2013, 09:29:22 AM »
isn't flash cast called that way cause it can be use magic in 0,200 seconds and even miyuki is slower than that. or did i understand that wrong

all combat magic is instantaneously casted. The concept of speed is nullified due to the imprinting of both magic sequence and activation sequence of magic.

It takes tats 0.2 seconds to restore external organics (eg. humans).

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« Reply #3693 on: February 25, 2013, 09:24:52 AM »
Wait: I thought Flash cast its like universal Cardinal Code and speed caster??

It means instead of you spend 5 phases or so to use magic, it comes in only 2.
Cardinal Code (14 of them) its restricted to some conditions, but essentially do the same.

Just to be clear about the phases: its not restricted to 5 or any number, Magic to be use need to being constructed with a process, from planning, target, basic elements and final product or effect, here they need include: mass, area, raw components like to make simple water: O2H2 (oxygen and hydrogen), sea water: NACLO2H (chlorine, sodium, oxygen and hydrogen) or like that (its just to make the example), so they add coordinates to where they will like to put it and the area coverage (its not the same 1 cubic meter of water in 4 cubic meters space than 2 mts), so basically Flash Cast take that to speed up the process, I think its like when you learned complex equations and always been the long and the short ways to get the same.



isn't flash cast called that way cause it can be use magic in 0,200 seconds and even miyuki is slower than that. or did i understand that wrong

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« Reply #3692 on: February 25, 2013, 08:28:58 AM »
yeah, i apologize, i didn't really think that would make feel the authors.

on flash cast i think is a really effective the advantage of speed, cause if he make a tiny object fly like a bullet against his opponent's heart that would be the end, no? but that's only if his scale of power can make an a object fly at the same speed of those reinforced rifles, i think?

Wait: I thought Flash cast its like universal Cardinal Code and speed caster??

It means instead of you spend 5 phases or so to use magic, it comes in only 2.
Cardinal Code (14 of them) its restricted to some conditions, but essentially do the same.

Just to be clear about the phases: its not restricted to 5 or any number, Magic to be use need to being constructed with a process, from planning, target, basic elements and final product or effect, here they need include: mass, area, raw components like to make simple water: O2H2 (oxygen and hydrogen), sea water: NACLO2H (chlorine, sodium, oxygen and hydrogen) or like that (its just to make the example), so they add coordinates to where they will like to put it and the area coverage (its not the same 1 cubic meter of water in 4 cubic meters space than 2 mts), so basically Flash Cast take that to speed up the process, I think its like when you learned complex equations and always been the long and the short ways to get the same.


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« Reply #3691 on: February 25, 2013, 08:10:37 AM »
Its not like don't ask again what been talked in the past posts position, if you read I say will be better if you participate in the thread, just don use the quantity of post here to made an excuse, cuz looks like or you are lazy or don't have real interest, I believe you when you said its cuz don't feel good or energy to do so, I myself have some problems right now when try quoting from texts cuz my windows OS (specially explorer)its given me hard times, but still tools like search in the thread, so put it simple: When someone using the line. "its too much posts in this thread and some of them are extensive", how do you think the authors of that posts feel about it??, when my first time here I read all and every single post, believe there's posts where really dizzy your brains, cuz their complexity in science vs MHnR world, here are many Professionals in different areas of expertise and talk with Engineers, Military and many others is very often, even students, so I hope you understand what I am talking about.

So, as yourself noted, there's always chances to get answers and maybe some debate, but its good.

On Flash Cast I think in any duel you have, time and accuracy are crucial to win, so if like old west, not only shoot first, its reach the target too.
Maybe Cardinal George its the one whom can test Tats in this area.

yeah, i apologize, i didn't really think that would make feel the authors.

on flash cast i think is a really effective the advantage of speed, cause if he make a tiny object fly like a bullet against his opponent's heart that would be the end, no? but that's only if his scale of power can make an a object fly at the same speed of those reinforced rifles, i think?

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« Reply #3690 on: February 25, 2013, 08:02:20 AM »
i have read about the 1000 latest post and many more from the first pages too, so if a doubt came again after one comment, can't i ask again then? i only said there are really post that repeat the same information time and time again  and if i'm tired at the moment after reading other bunch of things from diferents novels, and i don't thing i came here to chat, so forgive me if i offended you for asking a question that i don't have the energy in this moment to look in the 3600 past post, though i really like to look for information in all those post, is just that there are moments when you don't have the time or energy to do it.

by the way, thanks for answer my questions, i'm happy too when people answer me.
 :yay:  :pushup:

Its not like don't ask again what been talked in the past posts position, if you read I say will be better if you participate in the thread, just don use the quantity of post here to made an excuse, cuz looks like or you are lazy or don't have real interest, I believe you when you said its cuz don't feel good or energy to do so, I myself have some problems right now when try quoting from texts cuz my windows OS (specially explorer)its given me hard times, but still tools like search in the thread, so put it simple: When someone using the line. "its too much posts in this thread and some of them are extensive", how do you think the authors of that posts feel about it??, when my first time here I read all and every single post, believe there's posts where really dizzy your brains, cuz their complexity in science vs MHnR world, here are many Professionals in different areas of expertise and talk with Engineers, Military and many others is very often, even students, so I hope you understand what I am talking about.

So, as yourself noted, there's always chances to get answers and maybe some debate, but its good.

On Flash Cast I think in any duel you have, time and accuracy are crucial to win, so if like old west, not only shoot first, its reach the target too.
Maybe Cardinal George its the one whom can test Tats in this area.

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« Reply #3689 on: February 25, 2013, 07:38:27 AM »
Its Ok have doubts, like debate, discussions or set your POV over MHnR, but please don't come like that and say you don't read cuz are too many or extensive posts (aka: information), cuz feel disrespectful for many of Us which invest time and effort to doing well on this thread, starting the fact its a thread and not a chat room, some posts are long and I know, but its like that in the way we feel happy "talking" about this, if you fell lazy to read and understand others People POV and not mention the time we or they spend trying to made possible the post, I think you are wrong here, even worse if only comes and made questions which probably we recently have a debate about it, I not mad and I don't think others too, it just, if you don't have the time, the will or interest follow the thread, Why come from nowhere and shooting questions, which probably you solve yourself reading the spoilers, BT or the posts and maybe even better if you participates.

BTW: I think you all are forgetting Cardinal Codes.

i have read about the 1000 latest post and many more from the first pages too, so if a doubt came again after one comment, can't i ask again then? i only said there are really post that repeat the same information time and time again  and if i'm tired at the moment after reading other bunch of things from diferents novels, and i don't thing i came here to chat, so forgive me if i offended you for asking a question that i don't have the energy in this moment to look in the 3600 past post, though i really like to look for information in all those post, is just that there are moments when you don't have the time or energy to do it.

by the way, thanks for answer my questions, i'm happy too when people answer me.
 :yay:  :pushup:

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« Reply #3688 on: February 25, 2013, 07:03:22 AM »
probably, if Yotsuba Maya just sitting and doing nothing  :wahaha:

it will be interesting to see Maya vs Koichi cold war  :XD:


maybe from volume 8 cover ?

ah there it is. Thanks!

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« Reply #3687 on: February 25, 2013, 06:57:08 AM »
Sorry, please read the forum rules to see why you can't view spoilers and why you can't post in this forum section. Thank you!

Sorry, please read the forum rules to see why you can't view spoilers and why you can't post in this forum section. Thank you!


probably, if Yotsuba Maya just sitting and doing nothing  :wahaha:

it will be interesting to see Maya vs Koichi cold war  :XD:


a bit of topic, but I find your profile picture amusing. Where did you find it?

maybe from volume 8 cover ?

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« Reply #3686 on: February 25, 2013, 06:39:26 AM »
yeah i know all this, did you read tha past post i'm only wanting to know if new info got out. because  someone said:

He didn't just obtain flash cast from the experiment, he also got an artificial magic calculation area which allows him to use magic like a normal magician, just slower.

so... don't get mad bro, i'm just asking, i didn't know that magics he used with five or less steps are less powerfull than normal magicians, is that a problem? you know there are 3650> post here, so it would be tiring to read all those post without mention that some are pretty big post with a lot of words, so i think this thread is to ask whenever you have a doubt.

Its Ok have doubts, like debate, discussions or set your POV over MHnR, but please don't come like that and say you don't read cuz are too many or extensive posts (aka: information), cuz feel disrespectful for many of Us which invest time and effort to doing well on this thread, starting the fact its a thread and not a chat room, some posts are long and I know, but its like that in the way we feel happy "talking" about this, if you fell lazy to read and understand others People POV and not mention the time we or they spend trying to made possible the post, I think you are wrong here, even worse if only comes and made questions which probably we recently have a debate about it, I not mad and I don't think others too, it just, if you don't have the time, the will or interest follow the thread, Why come from nowhere and shooting questions, which probably you solve yourself reading the spoilers, BT or the posts and maybe even better if you participates.

BTW: I think you all are forgetting Cardinal Codes.

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« Reply #3685 on: February 25, 2013, 06:27:07 AM »
No, unless he uses magic to indirectly attack his opponent, powerful magicians can easily shrug off his direct magic attacks like Ichijou did in V4, while due to his poor interference strength in everything besides his birth magic, he can only dodge his opponents attacks unless he uses counter-magic.  

Tatsuya's main defence against other magicians is his offensive anti-magic spells.  His regular magic is too poor to use wide area interference or data fortification against other more powerful magicians. Against powerful magicians like those of the Master Clans, when it comes to a purely magic fight that doesn't involve his birth magic, Tatsuya is basically screwed unless he uses counter magic.

a bit of topic, but I find your profile picture amusing. Where did you find it?

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« Reply #3684 on: February 25, 2013, 06:20:54 AM »
yeah? that's good, though his scale is less than normal, it always is faster than anyone so that's a point in favor on a fight, he could win in a battle against powerful magicians with only flash cast, don you think?
No, unless he uses magic to indirectly attack his opponent, powerful magicians can easily shrug off his direct magic attacks like Ichijou did in V4, while due to his poor interference strength in everything besides his birth magic, he can only dodge his opponents attacks unless he uses counter-magic.  

Tatsuya's main defence against other magicians is his offensive anti-magic spells.  His regular magic is too poor to use wide area interference or data fortification against other more powerful magicians. Against powerful magicians like those of the Master Clans, when it comes to a purely magic fight that doesn't involve his birth magic, Tatsuya is basically screwed unless he uses counter magic.

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« Reply #3683 on: February 25, 2013, 06:18:19 AM »
I don't remember A class destructive magic ever being within 5 steps. However combat magic is within 5 steps and the ones we have seen so far deal with speed and disruption of opponents. With flash cast, he already has more or less a cheat against his opponents. Though even if he can win battles with only flash cast, it is more efficient to combine it with his specialized magic.

Also by speed and scale, he means for normal modern magic. Not his specialized maigc. Tats cannot cast modern magic at the same speed as any other normal magician.

Sorry. That's what I meant.