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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4127 on: March 29, 2013, 09:55:55 PM »
It is worthy to point out that neither his mother nor Sakurai were suprised by such turn of events. His mother even mentions that he developed series of techniques around his decompositon/recnstruction magic from which both regrowth and MB seems to be makeshift ones. That leaves several techniques we know nothing about, also mist dispersion is on whole diffrent level from gram dispersion.

Where did it say that? :huh:

Euh, It's been mentionned many times that Gram Demolition is also a high level magic, maybe not as good as Gram Dispersion but it still is. It makes no sense for his family to know that he can use an impossible magic like Gram Dispersion but hide from them that he can use Mist Dispersion, also in the same volume when he was fighting that left blood guy he used Gram Demolition and Miyuki didn't say anything so she knew about it and she was so surprised that he can directly intefere with the information structure of things when he destroyed the torpedos because it's of the highest level of magic, Gram Dispersion is of the same level of difficulty so if she knew about it his prowess with Mist Dispersion wouldn't have been that shocking for her, so I think that in that it's a typo when the translator wrote Gram Dispersion.

btw where was the names and wielders of the other strategic class magics mentionned(not deep abyss, the other ones) ?

Leviathan and Ozone Circle.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4126 on: March 29, 2013, 09:49:07 PM »
Euh, It's been mentionned many times that Gram Demolition is also a high level magic, maybe not as good as Gram Dispersion but it still is. It makes no sense for his family to know that he can use an impossible magic like Gram Dispersion but hide from them that he can use Mist Dispersion, also in the same volume when he was fighting that left blood guy he used Gram Demolition and Miyuki didn't say anything so she knew about it and she was so surprised that he can directly intefere with the information structure of things when he destroyed the torpedos because it's of the highest level of magic, Gram Dispersion is of the same level of difficulty so if she knew about it his prowess with Mist Dispersion wouldn't have been that shocking for her, so I think that in that it's a typo when the translator wrote Gram Dispersion.

btw where was the names and wielders of the other strategic class magics mentionned(not deep abyss, the other ones) ?

Quote from: Glossary
Eidos (Form of Discreet Information)
Originally a Greek philosophy term. In regard to modern magic study, Eidos refers to a form of information that is attached to a phenomenon, and with records of these "phenomenons" existing in the "world", it can be said that the "phenomenons" left their footprint in the world.
In regards to modern magic study, the definition of "Magic" is doing a technique that changes the Eidos, which in turn changes its true form, the "phenomenon".

Psion (Thought Particle)
A substanceless particle that comes under the dimension of psychic phenomenon, an information element that records the result of cognizance and thought.
Eidos that is the theoretical basis of modern magic and activation rituals and magic rituals that are techniques that support the foundation of modern magic are forms of information constructed with Psion.

Never said it's not, dissolution have the same requirements and necessity to read what should be unseen. We can only say for sure Miyuki didn't know due to their separate upbringing and little interaction with each other. It is worthy to point out that neither his mother nor Sakurai were suprised by such turn of events. His mother even mentions that he developed series of techniques around his decompositon/recnstruction magic from which both regrowth and MB seems to be makeshift ones. That leaves several techniques we know nothing about, also mist dispersion is on whole diffrent level from gram dispersion. Grams magic affect only activation/magic sequence psion structures leaving phenomena(eidos to be accurate) they are attached to untouched, mist dispersal actualy affect physical body by dissolution of psions structures that make eidos itself. In suuch case if gram dissolution is theoretically possible like definition suggest, magic like mist dispersion is unheard of

To be honest i started to notice subtle differences after grasping basic concept of physical standard model in mknr

Quote from: v1c1
Pushion (Spirit Particles) and Psion (Thought Particles). Both were particles observed in "Para-Psychological Phenomena" — which included magic as well — comprised of non-physical entities that neither corresponded to Fermions, particles that make up the composition of matter, nor were they the same as Bosons, which bring about the interaction between matter. Psion were particle manifestations of intention and thought, while Pushion could be thought of as particle manifestations of the emotions brought about by intention and thought. (A pity that this was still at a hypothetical stage.)

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« Reply #4125 on: March 29, 2013, 08:42:59 PM »
That's not necessarly wrong ...

If you were to pick one, dissolution is higher level magic due to its requirements so i don't think that is a typo. From what i see demolition high level is mostly due it's high psion demand. As for why he don't use it, it indicates he has Elemental Eyes(which is calssified ability) I guess.

I think there are two interesting facts concerning his gram magic. First is Tat-man ridiculous psion count compared to other people and second is strong hint to nonsystematic origins/nature of his dissolution/decomposition and probably reconstruction magic(as magic that is not derivative of 8 types[eidos alternation] but psion control focused)

i guess technicaly she can use it however when you consider that it requires very high level of control over psions, precision targetting of phenomena, her zone interference and most likely data fortification strenght, she simply doesn't need such skill outside of her comfort zone. In her case that's insufficient result compered to shortcomings ... It is also worthy to point out that Tatsuya proficiency at its usage comes mostly from his ability to instantly read and target surrounding eidos via elemental eyes, ability that is at least extreamly rare if not unique to him. This also allows him to use it at very short distance which is impossible for regular magician(decreasing response times etc.)

Euh, It's been mentionned many times that Gram Demolition is also a high level magic, maybe not as good as Gram Dispersion but it still is. It makes no sense for his family to know that he can use an impossible magic like Gram Dispersion but hide from them that he can use Mist Dispersion, also in the same volume when he was fighting that left blood guy he used Gram Demolition and Miyuki didn't say anything so she knew about it and she was so surprised that he can directly intefere with the information structure of things when he destroyed the torpedos because it's of the highest level of magic, Gram Dispersion is of the same level of difficulty so if she knew about it his prowess with Mist Dispersion wouldn't have been that shocking for her, so I think that in that it's a typo when the translator wrote Gram Dispersion.

btw where was the names and wielders of the other strategic class magics mentionned(not deep abyss, the other ones) ?

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4124 on: March 29, 2013, 08:16:21 PM »
In V08CH08 It's written
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It was because he couldn’t use magic, that he was assigned as my escort instead?

As long as I can remember, as well as from what I’ve been told, aside from the non-systematic anti-magic ‘Gram Dispersion’, I have never seen him use any high level magic. "
isn't it Gram Demolition instead of Gram Dispersion ?

That's not necessarly wrong ...

Quote from: Glossary
Magic Dissolution (Gram Dispersion) This magic takes a Magic Ritual and decomposes it into a group of Psion particles without a meaningful structure. Due to the nature of a Magic Ritual acting on the information of an object accompanying a phenomenon, if the information has not been exposed, it is impossible to interfere with the magic. On the other hand, if the Magic Ritual is decomposed, the phenomenon will not occur. To analyze the magic before the magic is activated in the present age where invocation takes a fraction of a second requires the ability to [See] and analyze the magic structure. Since the user is typically required to understand the magic being used beforehand, it is thought utilization of this magic is impossible.

Magic Dismantling (Gram Demolition) A mass of compressed Psion particles are thrown directly at an object and explode. Any Activation Sequence or Magic Ritual recorded into the Psion Information Body is blown away. Though it is called magic, it is simply a cannonball of Psions that has neither structure nor a Magic Ritual to modify an event, so it is not affected by Zone Interference. Furthermore, the pressure of the cannonball also repels the effects of Cast Jamming. It has no physical effects and cannot be hindered by any obstacle.

If you were to pick one, dissolution is higher level magic due to its requirements so i don't think that is a typo. From what i see demolition high level is mostly due it's high psion demand. As for why he don't use it, it indicates he has Elemental Eyes(which is calssified ability) I guess.

I think there are two interesting facts concerning his gram magic. First is Tat-man ridiculous psion count compared to other people and second is strong hint to nonsystematic origins/nature of his dissolution/decomposition and probably reconstruction magic(as magic that is not derivative of 8 types[eidos alternation] but psion control focused)

i'm sure it must have been asked before,but:if all that's needed to use gram demolition is very high psion count,why can't miyuki use it? :huh:
(we didn't even see her use mayumi bullet,though perhaps it is only because she never needed it so far?).

i guess technicaly she can use it however when you consider that it requires very high level of control over psions, precision targetting of phenomena, her zone interference and most likely data fortification strenght, she simply doesn't need such skill outside of her comfort zone. In her case that's insufficient result compered to shortcomings ... It is also worthy to point out that Tatsuya proficiency at its usage comes mostly from his ability to instantly read and target surrounding eidos via elemental eyes, ability that is at least extreamly rare if not unique to him. This also allows him to use it at very short distance which is impossible for regular magician(decreasing response times etc.)

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4123 on: March 29, 2013, 07:16:37 PM »
i'm sure it must have been asked before,but:if all that's needed to use gram demolition is very high psion count,why can't miyuki use it? :huh:
(we didn't even see her use mayumi's bullet,though perhaps it is only because she never needed it so far?).

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« Reply #4122 on: March 29, 2013, 07:12:12 PM »
It's probably up for debate since it references events outside the scope of the novel at the moment (while they were children) but it's more likely to be Gram Dispersion than Gram Demolition. Gram Demolition is what he uses instead of Gram Dispersion in First High because his dispersion ability becomes classified. He uses dispersion more freely in volume 8 before it becomes a military secret and it seems that it comes easier to him than Gram Demolition since it fits with his natural abilities. Also Gram Demolition isn't magic per say. It's a giant block of psions overwhelming magic as a form of counter magic. Then again, neither is Gram Dispersion, but I assume greater finesse is needed to disperse magic.
Even if it references events in the past it does't change anything, it was said that the majority of his family doesn't know about his true powers and at the time Miyuki was also in the dark and Gram Dispersion is an extremely high level magic that no one else in the world can use in practice and if his family actually knew about it, especially Miyuki she would've have been surprised to this extent when he used Mist Dispersion to destroy the torpedos because both magic fall into he same category and level of difficulty.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4121 on: March 29, 2013, 08:36:50 AM »
In V08CH08 It's written
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It was because he couldn’t use magic, that he was assigned as my escort instead?

As long as I can remember, as well as from what I’ve been told, aside from the non-systematic anti-magic ‘Gram Dispersion’, I have never seen him use any high level magic. "
isn't it Gram Demolition instead of Gram Dispersion ?

It's probably up for debate since it references events outside the scope of the novel at the moment (while they were children) but it's more likely to be Gram Dispersion than Gram Demolition. Gram Demolition is what he uses instead of Gram Dispersion in First High because his dispersion ability becomes classified. He uses dispersion more freely in volume 8 before it becomes a military secret and it seems that it comes easier to him than Gram Demolition since it fits with his natural abilities. Also Gram Demolition isn't magic per say. It's a giant block of psions overwhelming magic as a form of counter magic. Then again, neither is Gram Dispersion, but I assume greater finesse is needed to disperse magic.

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« Reply #4120 on: March 29, 2013, 07:12:38 AM »
In V08CH08 It's written
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It was because he couldn’t use magic, that he was assigned as my escort instead?

As long as I can remember, as well as from what I’ve been told, aside from the non-systematic anti-magic ‘Gram Dispersion’, I have never seen him use any high level magic. "
isn't it Gram Demolition instead of Gram Dispersion ?

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« Reply #4119 on: March 28, 2013, 02:48:53 PM »
Very nice!!!!

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« Reply #4118 on: March 28, 2013, 02:45:16 PM »
Won't this whole plot spill over onto third high? After all, one of their students is openly a valuable military asset. At thirteen he went onto the battlefield and was so effective that he earned the title Crimson Prince.

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« Reply #4117 on: March 28, 2013, 12:57:11 PM »
I almost think that the plan can backfire because neither the 101st nor the Yostuba would abandon Tatsuya, which is where the attacks are centered on, and if the attacks force Tatsuya to rely more on the resources of the Yotsuba, the end result would be the Yotsuba growing stronger.  I feel that the best way for the Saegusa to weaken the Yotsuba would be to take actions to encourage the split between Tatsuya and Mikuyi and the Yotsuba, but the actions taken, as they directly attack Tatsuya, are likely going to achieve the opposite effect.  This is why I believe the foreshadowing that there was not going to be a conflict between Maya and Tatsuya.  The Saegusa will accidentally strengthen the Yotsuba in their attempts to weaken them.  
I believe Koichi's plan is valid since the narration in v3c5 states that if necessary Kazama would immediately abandon Tatsuya. But I do agree with the idea that it will most likely be Tatsuya having to rely more on his clan, that eliminates any chance of future conflict with Maya, as stated in V8.

the reason i'm asking how large is because we know that the range of Deep Abyss is between 10meters to 10km and that the first time he used MB and the second time when he used it on 50mg the author didn't say anything and the USNA didn't try that experiment until he used it on the 1k flag and the author said
"The Scorched Halloween........."
so this leads me to believe that Material Burst is the only Strategic-Class magic capable of creating this level of destruction.
Its stated at the beginning of the vamp arc that it is not the scale of the destruction seen on Scorched Halloween that frightened them, but the means of destruction. There is no possible countermeasure yet to a person who can from hundreds of miles away, with a thought, instantly create such perfectly targeted direct mass-energy massively large-scale destruction. Except of course to track down the user like he's a terrorist and kill him before he decides to target you.

I believe while other weapons or strategic-level magic can produce similar levels of destruction seen that day, none can do so as quickly, cheaply, simply and in such safety from any possible preventative enemy fire as well as being safely far away from ground zero.

Officialy USNA and Japan are already allies ergo they can't take up any open hostile actions against them. As far as i remember vamp arc ended with handing Balance his respectable part of body used for sitting on a silver plate by Yotsuba. They just offered him a way out that saves his face for pulling out of Japan(which he did). What i see here is one time deal favourable to both sides. Yotsuba don't have leverage to keep USNA in check hence they have no reason to obey especialy when Saegusa is so willing to help. Assuming I am wrong the fact that they are dealing with Saegusa behind their back and intend to gather informations concerning Tatsuya, human experiments are already hostile actions aimed direcly against Yotsuba. Whatever the deal was, henceforth is off ...
Officially they are allies, unofficially we learn later from Fujibayashi they had been plotting to reduce Japan's power by using the Asian Alliance(along with Zhou's mysterious backer). As explained at the beginning of the D7 arc, before anyone was even aware of Tatsuya's abilities, Japan's 10 Master Clans system was already considered a threat as the worlds most successful Enhanced-Mage Development program.    

The Yotsuba did not threaten Balance, but surprise attacked her main HQ to halt their operation and then revealed themselves and explained Tats was one of theirs and brokered a deal to stop further attacks. They stopped targeting Tatsuya and there is no mention yet of the USNA trying to target Tatsuya again.

The USNA plan in D7 is never mentioned to be targeted at Tatsuya or the Yotsuba, but at the Japanese mages in general. Maki did not reveal any details to Koichi about the USNA. She only spoke about her father's plans and ideas for magic being useful for the community outside of combat.  Koichi reveals later to Kudo her hidden nature and aim and how he plans to interfere and use the USNA's plan to weaken only the Yotsuba instead and help strengthen the magic community's position.

I don't really see how this apply to Tatsuya since he's not political tool, noone can blame him for what was done and it's not like he's some kind of exception here. I mean mages are rised as weapons and his peers also take part in war effort so thats nothing unheard of. Maya and Kazama get the short end of the stick here. Even if they actualy manage to put Tatsuya into spotlight he can simply ignore everything and keep low profile since none of this involve his sister physical safety. I also don't see how it can affect school in any way.
You are correct none of this ultimately really applies to Tatsuya. But there is no mention of either of these plans having Tatsuya as the main goal anyway, he is just a means to an end. I don't know what will actually happen, but the idea put forward is he will be a media story used to show how the Yotsuba and the magic schools are creating monstrous child soldiers and due to the inhumanity of it all should be shut down like Koichi mentioned.

There is also shippou fraction backing from Maki. Going with it all they way means going against all 10 master clans(influencing internal clan politics) and from the looks of it shippou don't even have his own familly support. It is also worthy to point out that shippou and saegusa share number so thats pretty much means directly  doublecrossing saegusa and yotsuba (most powerfull families within the 10 master clan). I guess that makes shippou disposable and convienient pawn but what for ?
As mentioned in V3 by Mari, intense rivalries are common among magic families so the one in D7 is not likely something created by the USNA. I believe Maki's identity as a secret USNA agent and her superiors' aims are supposed to be a secret and something Koichi used his own spies to work out. On the surface she is just a celebrity helping the Shippou and there is no mention of them knowingly backing USNA plans and I doubt she's going around telling people about such secret plans. But its quite obvious she's building a social network within the magic community like any good spy should, by helping the Shippou out. Spreading the lies she has also helps fuel internal conflict in that community and can only be beneficial to a foreign power seeking to secretly gain insider info and influence.

Also as far as i see it, Kudou also see Yotsuba strenght as disturbing however unlike Koichi he see value in Tatsuya as an asset to obtain, not a pawn to be discarded. I guess Kudou was checking Kazama intentions, maybe connection to yotsuba due to his bad overall relationship with 10 masterclan. I think he wanted to obtain an ally but it didn't work out like he hoped. Still i don't see any reason why he would want to undermine 101st efforts.
Well I feel its pretty clear why he wants to undermine the 101st's efforts from what he stated to Kazama as well as Kazama pointing out he knows his interest in Tatsuya is not as altruistic as he claims. My guess is his main aim is most likely to increase his own clans's power by adding Tatsuya to his ranks. Koichi's aim so far is stated as breaking the relationship the Yotsuba have with the 101st, which only means Tats would have to stop his work with them as a soldier.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4116 on: March 28, 2013, 10:08:16 AM »
any idea how large of an area was destroyed Tatsuya's use of Material Burst on the 1kg flag caused ?

Given the references to Geojedo, Tsushima, Kyushu (as a possible victim of the tsunami if not for Geojedo), Zhenhai Naval Port was probably on the Masan Bay side of today's Masanhappo District of Changwon. A conservative estimate of the area directly destroyed by MB (excluding the effects of the shock waves, firestorm, and the tsunami) would be 100 km². If you include the secondary effects, assuming that the neighboring military facilities are the rest of Changwon plus Geojedo Base on Geoje Island, then the affected area would exceed 1000 km².

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4115 on: March 28, 2013, 03:22:13 AM »
I agree that there exist violent anti-magic organisations, since as you mentioned, Blanche have already attacked 1st High. And I agree its entirely possible for another similarly violent group to do the same thing. However my point was Koichi explained the type of attack he expects and the groups that he expects to attack as being political and media related ones going for the angle that the military and magic high schools are breeding child weapons.

Koichi's words about humanitarian orientated media and politicians didn't seem to indicate a repeat of of the Blanche incident to me. So since he didn't seem to be talking about physical attacks when he mentioned acceptable losses, I read it as the school and its principal would be closed down and forced to resign his position rather than the staff and students being killed and the school destroyed.

Well from the details given in the vamp arc, the USNA have been looking for ways to weaken Japan's power before Scorched Halloween occurred. Also I previously mentioned V7 reveals Zhou's mysterious and powerful backer has been pulling the stings in the background, also with the aim of reducing the 2 countries' magician strength.

And although we don't know any specifics for the deal between the Yotsuba and USNA except for the basics, 'you stop targeting our magician and we will owe you a favour'. Since they actually did stop their direct attacks and didn't call for back up like Tatsuya did, I must conclude the Yotsuba and Colonel Balance did have enough pull within their own governments to make it work.  The main worry that the USNA had about Tatsuya's magic, stated at the opening of the vamp arc, is how to counter it. So something may have been worked out with that maybe.

I don't see how either the USNA's or Koichi's plans mentioned so far can directly affect Tatsuya's power as a weapon. As mentioned in Tatsuya's meeting with the 101st in V3, public exposure will only break the close relationship between him and Kazama's group. This is what Kudo wants and already tried to do himself personally when he spoke with Kazama in V4. I don't see any reason why he would want to stop it.  

Its most likely possible there are bigger and more violent plans in motion, but at the moment the plans actually mentioned so far are as previously posted. The Master Clan squabbles have not been mentioned as being part of the USNA's plans but Maki seems to be gaining favour and building up a relationship in their community by helping Shippou feel out possible support and suggesting to Koichi instead of a military purpose magicians could find a place in other areas such as the film industry. Her using networking skills seems to be that of a spy creating an info network and she will probably be passing magician insider info on to her masters like the journalist tried to in the 1st D7 chapter arc.

But what for supporting shouichi means helping support families, its no diffrent from undermining whole 10 clans  

But this is just how I personally understood what I've read so far.I also do expect physical conflict, just not from the USNA spies or the anti-magic groups specified in the latest D7 arc.  

Officialy USNA and Japan are already allies ergo they can't take up any open hostile actions against them. As far as i remember vamp arc ended with handing Balance his respectable part of body used for sitting on a silver plate by Yotsuba. They just offered him a way out that saves his face for pulling out of Japan(which he did). What i see here is one time deal favourable to both sides. Yotsuba don't have leverage to keep USNA in check hence they have no reason to obey especialy when Saegusa is so willing to help. Assuming I am wrong the fact that they are dealing with Saegusa behind their back and intend to gather informations concerning Tatsuya, human experiments are already hostile actions aimed direcly against Yotsuba. Whatever the deal was, henceforth is off ...

I don't really see how this apply to Tatsuya since he's not political tool, noone can blame him for what was done and it's not like he's some kind of exception here. I mean mages are rised as weapons and his peers also take part in war effort so thats nothing unheard of. Maya and Kazama get the short end of the stick here. Even if they actualy manage to put Tatsuya into spotlight he can simply ignore everything and keep low profile since none of this involve his sister physical safety. I also don't see how it can affect school in any way.

There is also shippou fraction backing from Maki. Going with it all they way means going against all 10 master clans(influencing internal clan politics) and from the looks of it shippou don't even have his own familly support. It is also worthy to point out that shippou and saegusa share number so thats pretty much means directly  doublecrossing saegusa and yotsuba (most powerfull families within the 10 master clan). I guess that makes shippou disposable and convienient pawn but what for ?

Also as far as i see it, Kudou also see Yotsuba strenght as disturbing however unlike Koichi he see value in Tatsuya as an asset to obtain, not a pawn to be discarded. I guess Kudou was checking Kazama intentions, maybe connection to yotsuba due to his bad overall relationship with 10 masterclan. I think he wanted to obtain an ally but it didn't work out like he hoped. Still i don't see any reason why he would want to undermine 101st efforts.

I guess there is no sense arguing about the rest since our arguments are pretty much circumstancial and heavly rely on assumptions. Next chapter should throw some light on state of things.

any idea how large of an area was destroyed Tatsuya's use of Material Burst on the 1kg flag caused ?

I think it was 20 000 000 t which means 20Mt TNT. Thats more or less modern thermonuclear bomb. Everything within a radius of 3 kilometres is ground zero, firestorm should carry up to 48 km ... thats like ~1300 km2 of nothingness give or take(narrowed down to shock wave range) ... too lazy to make precise calculations ... unable to predict tsunami range


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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4114 on: March 28, 2013, 03:16:24 AM »
Well, whatever it was it was even larger because of the tsunami that resulted.
the reason i'm asking how large is because we know that the range of Deep Abyss is between 10meters to 10km and that the first time he used MB and the second time when he used it on 50mg the author didn't say anything and the USNA didn't try that experiment until he used it on the 1k flag and the author said
"The Scorched Halloween.

Future historians would look back upon this day and refer to it as such.

It was a turning point in military history, just as it was a turning point in history.

This was the day that magic was proven to have surpassed mechanical, nuclear, and biological arms.

Bared before all was the truth that magic alone determined the outcome between victory and defeat.

This was the true dawn of history for the race known as Magicians, in all of its high glory and darkest suffering."

so this leads me to believe that Material Burst is the only Strategic-Class magic capable of creating this level of destruction.

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« Reply #4113 on: March 28, 2013, 02:50:48 AM »
any idea how large of an area was destroyed Tatsuya's use of Material Burst on the 1kg flag caused ?

Well, whatever it was it was even larger because of the tsunami that resulted.

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« Reply #4112 on: March 28, 2013, 12:02:26 AM »
I almost see that the intent of the Saegusa is to weaken the Yotsuba by forcing the 101st to sever their close ties to the Yotsuba.  I almost think that the plan can backfire because neither the 101st nor the Yostuba would abandon Tatsuya, which is where the attacks are centered on, and if the attacks force Tatsuya to rely more on the resources of the Yotsuba, the end result would be the Yotsuba growing stronger.  I feel that the best way for the Saegusa to weaken the Yotsuba would be to take actions to encourage the split between Tatsuya and Mikuyi and the Yotsuba, but the actions taken, as they directly attack Tatsuya, are likely going to achieve the opposite effect.  This is why I believe the foreshadowing that there was not going to be a conflict between Maya and Tatsuya.  The Saegusa will accidentally strengthen the Yotsuba in their attempts to weaken them. 

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« Reply #4111 on: March 27, 2013, 09:46:24 PM »
any idea how large of an area was destroyed Tatsuya's use of Material Burst on the 1kg flag caused ?

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« Reply #4110 on: March 27, 2013, 04:46:59 PM »
And i think they are going to corner yotsuba politically. Blanche/Egalite are also antimagic groups and they prefer less peaceful solutions.......
.....Looking at the big picture Yotsuba should be taking fallout for experiments and will be too busy to react to anything. Koichi weakens yotsuba and gains edge against antimagic faction (maybe even aquire neutral 1st high if he plays his cards well enough).......
......There is also plan Koichi mentions to Kudou ... To be honest Blanche attack seems legit here(otherwise i don't know what koichi meant by acceptable losses within 1st high ) however i don't know what would  force them to such action.....
 
I agree that there exist violent anti-magic organisations, since as you mentioned, Blanche have already attacked 1st High. And I agree its entirely possible for another similarly violent group to do the same thing. However my point was Koichi explained the type of attack he expects and the groups that he expects to attack as being political and media related ones going for the angle that the military and magic high schools are breeding child weapons.

Koichi's words about humanitarian orientated media and politicians didn't seem to indicate a repeat of of the Blanche incident to me. So since he didn't seem to be talking about physical attacks when he mentioned acceptable losses, I read it as the school and its principal would be closed down and forced to resign his position rather than the staff and students being killed and the school destroyed.


Yotsuba didn't gain anything to keep USNA in check, did they ? Neither yotsuba could negotiate on behalf of japan nor Balance could negotiate on behalf of USNA. No matter how i look USNA plays zero sum game and it's not like they relentlessly seek for ways to weaken Japan. All that follows is just some internal shuffling, nothing really change when you look at the big picture from perspective of a nation like USNA. Given how goverment controled media are (blanche media gag order) they don't make such convenient tool. Japan nation also don't look like one that would apply some significant preasure on the goverment(though I might be biased). As far as I am concerned USNA play high stakes game without any potential benefit ... unless order of acquisition or termination of mass energy conversion magic user is still in effect ......
....... On the other hands USNA finaly can do something against Tatsuya. All that's left is kudou ... man who survived in the politics longer than anyone and man more cunning than all of them together. To be honest i expect him to give some sort of heads up to Kazama but who knows .......... I also don't see how it exacly mesh with school internal three way struggle between saegusa, shippou and shiba. I mean shippou is perfect pawn here but what for ? If that would be all, the friction between shippou and saegusa don't make much sense .....
Well from the details given in the vamp arc, the USNA have been looking for ways to weaken Japan's power before Scorched Halloween occurred. Also I previously mentioned V7 reveals Zhou's mysterious and powerful backer has been pulling the stings in the background, also with the aim of reducing the 2 countries' magician strength.

And although we don't know any specifics for the deal between the Yotsuba and USNA except for the basics, 'you stop targeting our magician and we will owe you a favour'. Since they actually did stop their direct attacks and didn't call for back up like Tatsuya did, I must conclude the Yotsuba and Colonel Balance did have enough pull within their own governments to make it work.  The main worry that the USNA had about Tatsuya's magic, stated at the opening of the vamp arc, is how to counter it. So something may have been worked out with that maybe.

I don't see how either the USNA's or Koichi's plans mentioned so far can directly affect Tatsuya's power as a weapon. As mentioned in Tatsuya's meeting with the 101st in V3, public exposure will only break the close relationship between him and Kazama's group. This is what Kudo wants and already tried to do himself personally when he spoke with Kazama in V4. I don't see any reason why he would want to stop it.  

Its most likely possible there are bigger and more violent plans in motion, but at the moment the plans actually mentioned so far are as previously posted. The Master Clan squabbles have not been mentioned as being part of the USNA's plans but Maki seems to be gaining favour and building up a relationship in their community by helping Shippou feel out possible support and suggesting to Koichi instead of a military purpose magicians could find a place in other areas such as the film industry. Her using networking skills seems to be that of a spy creating an info network and she will probably be passing magician insider info on to her masters like the journalist tried to in the 1st D7 chapter arc.


But this is just how I personally understood what I've read so far.I also do expect physical conflict, just not from the USNA spies or the anti-magic groups specified in the latest D7 arc.  

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« Reply #4109 on: March 27, 2013, 04:11:03 PM »
This question is a several days old but I noticed it wasn't answered.

In case you missed it, Seitsuki make a statement regarding this:
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The raw is quite clear: 子供に愛情を抱けない... (p201)
子供に <To child> 愛情を <feelings of love> 抱けない <unable to hold>

I'd read that not as "she could not love her son" as in she was psychologically unable, but that "she could not harbor [entertain or nourish] feelings of love for her child [Tatsuya]." In other words, Miya deliberately stifled the love she felt for Tatsuya because as a Yotsuba she is supposed to consider Guardians as disposable tools.

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« Reply #4108 on: March 27, 2013, 03:24:06 PM »
And i think they are going to corner yotsuba politically. Blanche/Egalite are also antimagic groups and they prefer less peaceful solutions. Yotsuba didn't gain anything to keep USNA in check, did they ? Neither yotsuba could negotiate on behalf of japan nor Balance could negotiate on behalf of USNA. No matter how i look USNA plays zero sum game and it's not like they relentlessly seek for ways to weaken Japan. All that follows is just some internal shuffling, nothing really change when you look at the big picture from perspective of a nation like USNA. Given how goverment controled media are (blanche media gag order) they don't make such convenient tool. Japan nation also don't look like one that would apply some significant preasure on the goverment(though I might be biased). As far as I am concerned USNA play high stakes game without any potential benefit ... unless order of acquisition or termination of mass energy conversion magic user is still in effect ...

Looking at the big picture Yotsuba should be taking fallout for experiments and will be too busy to react to anything. Koichi weakens yotsuba and gains edge against antimagic faction (maybe even aquire neutral 1st high if he plays his cards well enough). On the other hands USNA finaly can do something against Tatsuya. All that's left is kudou ... man who survived in the politics longer than anyone and man more cunning than all of them together. To be honest i expect him to give some sort of heads up to Kazama but who knows ... so far there are no signs of any other major players here ...

There is also plan Koichi mentions to Kudou ... To be honest Blanche attack seems legit here(otherwise i don't know what koichi meant by acceptable losses within 1st high ) however i don't know what would  force them to such action. Fact that Tatsuya was able to take on Sirus is also problem by itself which i don't see how they are going to solve (stars ? lol)  ... I also don't see how it exacly mesh with school internal three way struggle between saegusa, shippou and shiba. I mean shippou is perfect pawn here but what for ? If that would be all, the friction between shippou and saegusa don't make much sense ... That means i can be way off, there are just too many pieces missing to make some decent guess ...

No matter what will actualy happen aftermatch looks rather interesting


Someone have intel about the remain living 10 apostles??, How about the unknown remaining 26 or so, SC Class Magicians, usually based on LNs universes, ,depends on the author sights and views, clear this point, on MKnR, "The World" its centered mostly in the XIX century geo political blocks, where Europe, Latin America, Mid Orient and North Africa Nations, Australia, India and Pakistan role was less due internal circumstances (I just will not listing), but based on the Global situation developed in the novel, there's should be at least 2 or 3 key players in the World, Magic Association should be sending soon someone like UN do with Nuclear issues, to ensure Tats being mentally apt to manage this power, afterall this is one of the main policy right now in Nuclear developments allowed by UN and their Security Council, Koichi should ready knows "mining" Yotsuba in this way will be  a reason to them to settle old accounts, from SS dialogue I interpret they ready are meddle in some cold war point (Yotsuba/Saegusa), Juumongi, which are 3rd place, work very close with Saegusa, honesty I think D7 is very cloudy and only when the arc comes released (3 or 4 vols) We will have clear bases to talk, if the author works the line he draw about economical, geo political and military, there's should be at least: UK, Europe, India, Latin America and one or more Nations with SC Class Magicians and pressing power inside the association, don't forget some Moral Religious Leaders which have power without armies but protected by Concordato, but usually this point is useless with Japanese author due their unknown ledge of Western, maybe the exception should be Campione author. 

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« Reply #4107 on: March 27, 2013, 02:13:45 PM »
I'm just pointing out that the anti-magic groups mentioned are humanitarian media and politician groups that I currently think are unlikely to use weapons or magic to promote their humanitarian agendas.

I don't believe the USNA will be the real threat in the end but rather Zhou's secret backer mentioned in V7c13 as trying to weaken the country's magicians.
But to answer your questions about the USNA, they knew nothing at the beginning of the vamp arc but made very accurate educated guesses and worked out the mass decomposition magic user is probably 1 of either 2 people.  At the end of the vamp arc they finally identified the user but before they could take further action, the Yotsuba exposed themselves and cut a deal to have the USNA give up the idea of kidnap or Kill.

The way I read it is, the USNA's aim is to increase their influence in the country using the media and be in a position to cause internal rifts and probably civil unrest between the mages and the people. I personally believe Maki is only using the Saegusa Shippou conflict to network and build up connections within the magic families. And I believe unknown to the USNA agents, Koichi plans to use their plans for his petty squabble. He plans to leak info to point them at 1st high to help dissolve the deal the 101st and Yotsuba have and also believes public opinion in the end will backfire and reduce the voice of the anti-magic factions and so be beneficial to the magical community.

With these reasons I don't see why Kudo would want to stop this, especially since he tried to convince Kazuma to do the same and gave similar humanitarian-related reasons.

And i think they are going to corner yotsuba politically. Blanche/Egalite are also antimagic groups and they prefer less peaceful solutions. Yotsuba didn't gain anything to keep USNA in check, did they ? Neither yotsuba could negotiate on behalf of japan nor Balance could negotiate on behalf of USNA. No matter how i look USNA plays zero sum game and it's not like they relentlessly seek for ways to weaken Japan. All that follows is just some internal shuffling, nothing really change when you look at the big picture from perspective of a nation like USNA. Given how goverment controled media are (blanche media gag order) they don't make such convenient tool. Japan nation also don't look like one that would apply some significant preasure on the goverment(though I might be biased). As far as I am concerned USNA play high stakes game without any potential benefit ... unless order of acquisition or termination of mass energy conversion magic user is still in effect ...

Looking at the big picture Yotsuba should be taking fallout for experiments and will be too busy to react to anything. Koichi weakens yotsuba and gains edge against antimagic faction (maybe even aquire neutral 1st high if he plays his cards well enough). On the other hands USNA finaly can do something against Tatsuya. All that's left is kudou ... man who survived in the politics longer than anyone and man more cunning than all of them together. To be honest i expect him to give some sort of heads up to Kazama but who knows ... so far there are no signs of any other major players here ...

There is also plan Koichi mentions to Kudou ... To be honest Blanche attack seems legit here(otherwise i don't know what koichi meant by acceptable losses within 1st high ) however i don't know what would  force them to such action. Fact that Tatsuya was able to take on Sirus is also problem by itself which i don't see how they are going to solve (stars ? lol)  ... I also don't see how it exacly mesh with school internal three way struggle between saegusa, shippou and shiba. I mean shippou is perfect pawn here but what for ? If that would be all, the friction between shippou and saegusa don't make much sense ... That means i can be way off, there are just too many pieces missing to make some decent guess ...

No matter what will actualy happen aftermatch looks rather interesting

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« Reply #4106 on: March 27, 2013, 09:04:09 AM »
I think the main question is what actually usna know and what they intend to do with that knowledge ... they are the story driving force here and everyone else just ride their tide. We have to remember that they are still looking for MB user(do they ?) and that even last sirus they sent failed her mission. I think that whole children soldier/human rights is merly ploy to tie up and keep yotsuba off the case(maybe even put Tatsuya at spotlight for some reason), at the same time saegusa cooperation(or rather inaction) was confirmed. Their involvement indicate they prepered 1st high as a stage of some sort. I don't think something have to happen here however it would be the first if CADs didn't get turn to voice their opinions. I also don't think usna would involve themselves so deeply for some petty internal struggle between clans without some higher stake ... also will Kudou Retsu really do nothing ?
I'm just pointing out that the anti-magic groups mentioned are humanitarian media and politician groups that I currently think are unlikely to use weapons or magic to promote their humanitarian agendas.

I don't believe the USNA will be the real threat in the end but rather Zhou's secret backer mentioned in V7c13 as trying to weaken the country's magicians.
But to answer your questions about the USNA, they knew nothing at the beginning of the vamp arc but made very accurate educated guesses and worked out the mass decomposition magic user is probably 1 of either 2 people.  At the end of the vamp arc they finally identified the user but before they could take further action, the Yotsuba exposed themselves and cut a deal to have the USNA give up the idea of kidnap or Kill.

The way I read it is, the USNA's aim is to increase their influence in the country using the media and be in a position to cause internal rifts and probably civil unrest between the mages and the people. I personally believe Maki is only using the Saegusa Shippou conflict to network and build up connections within the magic families. And I believe unknown to the USNA agents, Koichi plans to use their plans for his petty squabble. He plans to leak info to point them at 1st high to help dissolve the deal the 101st and Yotsuba have and also believes public opinion in the end will backfire and reduce the voice of the anti-magic factions and so be beneficial to the magical community.

With these reasons I don't see why Kudo would want to stop this, especially since he tried to convince Kazuma to do the same and gave similar humanitarian-related reasons.

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« Reply #4105 on: March 27, 2013, 08:43:02 AM »
This question is a several days old but I noticed it wasn't answered.

Don't want to question any translators abilities as I myself am absolutely awful at Japanese -- but I noticed a change was made to the translation for V8C14 from "her son did not love her" to "she could not love her son" based apparently on the reading from the audio book.  Is there any native Japanese speaker that has a copy of Vol 8 that could confirm which one is the "correct" one or which one is portrayed in the light novel?  Maybe I have a bias to one interpretation or another but it feels like it made more sense and flowed better from the former than the latter.

In case you missed it, Seitsuki make a statement regarding this:

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子供に <To child> 愛情を <feelings of love> 抱けない <unable to hold>

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« Reply #4104 on: March 27, 2013, 06:41:54 AM »
Just be aware that the anti-magic people mentioned so far are politicians and the media, and the 'attack' mentioned relates to media attacks exposing how magician youths are being raised as weapons by the magic high schools, military and the Yotsuba. There have been no plans or mention yet of any actual terrorist or violent demonstrations occurring, although the Kuroba twins did eliminate some USNA mercenaries meeting with a journalist.

When I read the summary of the D7 arc intro I really didn't expect the the info there to play so much into the story. But now knowing Koichi's and Maki's plans, has tied the Kuroba twins' scene and the intro all together.  Really interesting to see what will happen.
using search function is a bit of pain to keep chronoligical track of events :P

I think the main question is what actually usna know and what they intend to do with that knowledge ... they are the story driving force here and everyone else just ride their tide. We have to remember that they are still looking for MB user(do they ?) and that even last sirus they sent failed her mission. I think that whole children soldier/human rights is merly ploy to tie up and keep yotsuba off the case(maybe even put Tatsuya at spotlight for some reason), at the same time saegusa cooperation(or rather inaction) was confirmed. Their involvement indicate they prepered 1st high as a stage of some sort. I don't think something have to happen here however it would be the first if CADs didn't get turn to voice their opinions. I also don't think usna would involve themselves so deeply for some petty internal struggle between clans without some higher stake ... also will Kudou Retsu really do nothing ? It kind of made me remember quote from 9 school competition:

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I mean this is one hell of emphasis on a future relationship though nature of it is unknown ...

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« Reply #4103 on: March 27, 2013, 04:40:14 AM »
when will be the newer chapters of 2nd yr released?  i for one am really excited about the development related to talks between kudo n mayumi's father.
if the anti magic people will attack 1st high?.what w ill be the response of tats n miyuki 's aunt ?stuff like those. :fangirl: :wohoho:
No one knows what their reaction will be. But you can be sure that Tatsuya will be in the spotlight.

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« Reply #4102 on: March 27, 2013, 01:54:35 AM »
Is Dreyaki Okay? Did he post that he will be busy? He said that he will finish Volume 5 Honor Student on March 24, but today is 26.  :p!ssed: :p!ssed:

Here you go again, late don't even ask why so many people is asking your exile and ip banning, is a shame the only posts you do here at least, is only for trolling or piss the Community, I prefer believe @Drey, @Seitsuki and @Satsuki don't even waste their time with this posts and its not I like waste mine time and resources too, but last time everything goes wrong, with even a pseudo battle for minus reputation points for the users whom criticize you, degenerating on tough written language, so can you please do something else like comment on the light novel, SS, manga of MKnR (Yuutosei in manga too) instead of your current actions??, if you have money to paid a translator, I am sure there's in your Country whom give the service and not taking the Fansubs and many other collaborators pride as joke or false adept to the principle: from Fans to Fans, no selling and support the author in the way you can like buying license works and merchandise, turning this or any forum as dark street market.

To the Translators and Staff: Take your time, your work are much appreciated.

BTW: I hope ending this issue and hope people don't even waste more time with @Xandrew noisy and bothering posts.

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« Reply #4101 on: March 26, 2013, 10:33:08 PM »
Is Dreyaki Okay? Did he post that he will be busy? He said that he will finish Volume 5 Honor Student on March 24, but today is 26.  :p!ssed: :p!ssed:

Wow. I completely forgot about that. Be patient. That was only an estimate and the last time he missed his own prediction by more than two days was when he surprised us with the last chapters of volume 7.

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« Reply #4100 on: March 26, 2013, 08:47:18 PM »
Is Dreyaki Okay? Did he post that he will be busy? He said that he will finish Volume 5 Honor Student on March 24, but today is 26.  :p!ssed: :p!ssed:

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« Reply #4099 on: March 26, 2013, 02:53:43 PM »
when will be the newer chapters of 2nd yr released?  i for one am really excited about the development related to talks between kudo n mayumi's father.
if the anti magic people will attack 1st high?.what w ill be the response of tats n miyuki 's aunt ?stuff like those. :fangirl: :wohoho:
Just be aware that the anti-magic people mentioned so far are politicians and the media, and the 'attack' mentioned relates to media attacks exposing how magician youths are being raised as weapons by the magic high schools, military and the Yotsuba. There have been no plans or mention yet of any actual terrorist or violent demonstrations occurring, although the Kuroba twins did eliminate some USNA mercenaries meeting with a journalist.

Interestingly enough, the USNA are backing the media probably because Japan's special group of mages are too powerful.  The amount of fretting they went through, as described at the beginning of the vamp arc, trying to work out what actually happened to the Asian Alliance's base on Scorched Halloween was ridiculously amusing.  The Ten Master Clans group is mentioned as being the world's most advanced and well organised mage production(breeding) system due to their long history of blood strengthening arranged marriages and all of the inhumane experimentation the country carried out. Its easy to understand why their mages are constantly being kidnapped by foreign countries.

When I read the summary of the D7 arc intro I really didn't expect the the info there to play so much into the story. But now knowing Koichi's and Maki's plans, has tied the Kuroba twins' scene and the intro all together.  Really interesting to see what will happen.

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« Reply #4098 on: March 26, 2013, 01:42:50 PM »
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Common :) Be patient! From what i know translator who translates ch 15 from v8, currently is kinda busy, so work goes slow, hopefully they will post next chapter soon, coz I'm also getting inpatient :D

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« Reply #4097 on: March 26, 2013, 01:16:13 PM »
when will be the newer chapters of 2nd yr released?  i for one am really excited about the development related to talks between kudo n mayumi's father.
if the anti magic people will attack 1st high?.what w ill be the response of tats n miyuki 's aunt ?stuff like those. :fangirl: :wohoho:

There's NO OFFICIAL SCHEDULE, but following the usual releases I said will be in Spring/Summer 2014, unless they do to made shorter time: 1) No SS Collection + extra unpublished SS Vol special edition, so far its only one: Vol 5, so Vol 12 its most than probable being SS Vol collection; 2) shorter releases dates between Vols publish; 3) 2 Vols  being released together and 4) Keep publishing on Ninendo format, being said on Dragon Magazine (I think, I not sure if this is the magazine name for D7 publishing), but somewhere someone ready said it was only 4 releases, every 3 months (next and final should be april I think), SS format, involving main and new secondary characters introduction but unrelated directly to main plot, take as rettousei and yuutossei, that's why I think its like one shot style but on LN line.

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« Reply #4096 on: March 26, 2013, 12:39:41 PM »
when will be the newer chapters of 2nd yr released?  i for one am really excited about the development related to talks between kudo n mayumi's father.
if the anti magic people will attack 1st high?.what w ill be the response of tats n miyuki 's aunt ?stuff like those. :fangirl: :wohoho:

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« Reply #4095 on: March 25, 2013, 09:26:19 PM »
Still no new chapters? Can someone translate it instead of waiting..? I will gladly pay $$$$$$

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« Reply #4094 on: March 25, 2013, 06:55:09 AM »
I'm not saying that Miyuki can't recover on her own. After reading all the instances where Miyuki managed to control herself, only an idiot would say that she isn't able to. What I'm getting at is the moments where she isn't able to control herself anymore.
And hello, Flash Cast? That is a Yotsuba mental interference magic. I'm pretty sure that can work on Miyuki regardless of her might.

Did you not read the conversation between Mayumi, Mari, and Katsuto? Mayumi clearly says that Tatsuya manipulated Miyuki's psions:
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When did they (or I) ever mention that he used Mist Dispersal? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

You just said it. "Tatsuya displayed [the] ability to freely and precisely manipulate psions." If he wasn't manipulating the psions around Miyuki, what was he doing? Also, the "Yotsuba communication technique" you've been referring to is merely the transfer of psion signals. Nothing other than that is shared:
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What the novels don't say though, is that direct contact between Tatsuya and Miyuki is only limited to that. After all, one other form of direct contact was the kiss Miyuki bestowed on Tatsuya to unseal his powers, and vice versa for Miyuki's sake.

Also, they never say that Tatsuya actually used Art of the Sage. There is no evidence of that ever happening (yet, hopefully). There isn't even any evidence that he knows how to use it. Additionally, Ancient Magic can still be cast even with CADs, as displayed by Mikihiko during the Nine-Schools competition.

Freeze Flame IS a high-level magic. The fact that it has been deemed conceptual is proof enough. With Inferno and/or Niflheim, opposing magicians will still be able to cast fire magic if their magic is powerful enough. Freeze Flame completely negates that idea because it prevents anything from burning. That means that Miyuki can adjust its power enough to keep on lowering the temperature as much as she needs to in order to counter any and all fire magic. If it was basic oscillation magic, then everyone should be able to do it. But then again, it's conceptual for a reason. And you mention how Miyuki showed "neither precision nor control." That's exactly what I'm getting at. If she showed neither of those things, how did she target the enemies with enough power to only disable their weapons? If Tatsuya wasn't there and Miyuki had no control, the enemy soldiers would have been frozen along with their guns. Considering how powerful Miyuki is, I'm pretty sure that there was a need to hold back.

I'm not questioning you about Miyuki's accuracy because it makes sense that Tatsuya used the Yotsuba psion signal-transfer. What I'm trying to get at is that that ability does not aid Miyuki in controlling her power.

P.S.: I'm tired of talking about this. I won't be saying anymore.

The thing is you try to prove that seal that was put on Tatsuya is some sort of two way telepatic connection between them that allow some sort of interaction and you are not able to provide any evidence for this. All you can say is only circumstancial and at the same time you try to nit pick reasoning of mayority. Your whole concept is based on physical interaction between siblings which occurs more times than i can remember(pretty much every time Miyuki gets overly emotional Tatsuya pampers her) ... You just chose few convenient situations to make your point. The fact is that all magic is based on alternation of edios and no sort of resonance, connection or reference was ever made and due to that it is impossible to flat out deny existance of such. The only way is to analyze every argument step by step and reverse engineer every situation that took place but Tatsuya nature as a singularity doesn't exacly make that easy. And all for the sake of proving ... i don't even know what ...

I mean i can do try to convince you that concept behind something might be complicated in theory but really easy in its aplication, most if not all aoe abilities don't really affect edios directly, fact that direct targetting usualy mean direct alternation of edios, that simultaneously sensing and targeting 30 objects is godlike ability that only Tatsuya have shown, it is impossible to wield mental interference  magic via artifical device/innat ability/due to flash cast, explain you the concept behind inferno/niflheim, explain elemental sight as omicognition abilty via concept of "proximity" and "existence" magic invocation theory or that in mentioned situation Miyuki merly invoked the magic accordingly to data Tatsuya provided. Make appropriate references to the novel and make damn tall wall of text.  ... But that don't have anything to do with the main point and can be only taken as nit picking.

At the end of the day the remaining question will be if such thing exist ? There is truly nothing to support or even hint such theory so far ergo I am not convinced. Is it impossible ? No, at least because we don't know anything about pushions, mental interference magic or we lack details about seal itself ...

I can elaborate on my arguments if needed but straying from main discusion is pointless


We'll I'm sure there willing to give us some happy time after they finished reading. Let them have their time reading.

hmmm Sashiko is scheduled for 17, 18 chapter and Seitsuki i think will continue with 15, 16 .... maybe they are going with joint 4 chapter release or simply don't have time this week




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« Reply #4093 on: March 24, 2013, 11:34:50 PM »
Tatsuya don't wield any kind of mental interference magic to affect her psyche(maybe besides patting her on the head) ergo he can only forcefully supress her.
Also what you mention indeed took place however later on during the lunch at student council when Mari accused Tatsuya of hustling Mibu she recovered on her own(actualy you can find there origins of her particular condition). Besides ...

I'm not saying that Miyuki can't recover on her own. After reading all the instances where Miyuki managed to control herself, only an idiot would say that she isn't able to. What I'm getting at is the moments where she isn't able to control herself anymore.

And hello, Flash Cast? That is a Yotsuba mental interference magic. I'm pretty sure that can work on Miyuki regardless of her might.


lines like this gain new sense when you later on learn about yotsuba communiaction technique. Actualy when we are already at it ...

Did you not read the conversation between Mayumi, Mari, and Katsuto? Mayumi clearly says that Tatsuya manipulated Miyuki's psions:
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You want to tell me that he was driven to the point where he actualy used highly classified magic mist dispersal on a whim and yet he hold back when it came to calm  down his sister ? .... this makes no sense to me. To be honest i recall only those 3 accidents where Miyuki lost it but by the looks of it Tatsuya gestures are nothing more than usual pampering. Besides it's pretty convienent way to use yotsuba communication ability if you ask me.

When did they (or I) ever mention that he used Mist Dispersal? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

The fact is that Tatsuya displayed ability to freely and precisely manipulate his psions in close proximity and there is actualy branch of ancient (aka non cad) nonsystematic magic for it. I'm suprised that it never made you wonder why ability that have no common points with gram demollition is called its aplication...
It's like saying that car is practical aplication of wheel ... while it is not false that's one hell of an understatement.

You just said it. "Tatsuya displayed [the] ability to freely and precisely manipulate psions." If he wasn't manipulating the psions around Miyuki, what was he doing? Also, the "Yotsuba communication technique" you've been referring to is merely the transfer of psion signals. Nothing other than that is shared:
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What the novels don't say though, is that direct contact between Tatsuya and Miyuki is only limited to that. After all, one other form of direct contact was the kiss Miyuki bestowed on Tatsuya to unseal his powers, and vice versa for Miyuki's sake.

Also, they never say that Tatsuya actually used Art of the Sage. There is no evidence of that ever happening (yet, hopefully). There isn't even any evidence that he knows how to use it. Additionally, Ancient Magic can still be cast even with CADs, as displayed by Mikihiko during the Nine-Schools competition.

Also if you ask me freeze flame is not really high level magic ... at least not compared to Inferno or Niflheim where she has shown perfect control over it under the seal. Smart words mixed in spell description don't necessarily make it harder. As far as i see it freeze flame is basic oscilation magic that works by lowering temperature under certain threshold to prevent ignition. In this particular aplication its a bit harder since you don't use it as aoe ability(to freeze the room and everyone with it) but apply it in precise place ... which is not miyuki strong point(As a sidenote there is no need to hold back on output). So being embaressed here where she's unable to fulfil his beloved onisama request is legit. In the end she did show neither precison nor control ...

Freeze Flame IS a high-level magic. The fact that it has been deemed conceptual is proof enough. With Inferno and/or Niflheim, opposing magicians will still be able to cast fire magic if their magic is powerful enough. Freeze Flame completely negates that idea because it prevents anything from burning. That means that Miyuki can adjust its power enough to keep on lowering the temperature as much as she needs to in order to counter any and all fire magic. If it was basic oscillation magic, then everyone should be able to do it. But then again, it's conceptual for a reason. And you mention how Miyuki showed "neither precision nor control." That's exactly what I'm getting at. If she showed neither of those things, how did she target the enemies with enough power to only disable their weapons? If Tatsuya wasn't there and Miyuki had no control, the enemy soldiers would have been frozen along with their guns. Considering how powerful Miyuki is, I'm pretty sure that there was a need to hold back.

I'm not questioning you about Miyuki's accuracy because it makes sense that Tatsuya used the Yotsuba psion signal-transfer. What I'm trying to get at is that that ability does not aid Miyuki in controlling her power.

P.S.: I'm tired of talking about this. I won't be saying anymore.

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« Reply #4092 on: March 24, 2013, 08:30:51 PM »
We'll I'm sure there willing to give us some happy time after they finished reading. Let them have their time reading.

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« Reply #4091 on: March 24, 2013, 06:55:04 PM »
Did they stop translating Vol. 8?
maybe they are enjoy reading vol 9 now. so it may take a while before new chapter appears. :sob:

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« Reply #4090 on: March 24, 2013, 02:03:05 AM »
Did they stop translating Vol. 8?

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« Reply #4089 on: March 23, 2013, 12:17:42 PM »
Could someone kindly re-up volume 6, 7, and 8 for me? Much appreciated.

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« Reply #4088 on: March 23, 2013, 10:17:23 AM »
Taking into account all of Tatsuya's achievements so far, I don't believe that suppressing Miyuki's powers ends with just "suppressing". If anything, I think the suppressing is all on Miyuki's side, because of the actual seal on Tatsuya's powers. I do very much agree that Tatsuya relays the information to Miyuki, but the extent of the things they are able to do through physical contact probably doesn't end at just that level.

I mentioned earlier the incident during the Student Council elections. It involved Tatsuya standing in front of Miyuki and holding her by the shoulders in order to take "the Psions Miyuki had scattered around and, without any cooperation from her, [pour] them back 'inside'." Going further back, when Miyuki and Tatsuya were going to school for I think was the second day, didn't Tatsuya hold Miyuki's hand when she released her power (because she was angry at her father for not caring about Tatsuya and stuff)? At first I thought that Miyuki managed to rein in her magic because Tatsuya held her hand, but considering Tatsuya's influence on her magic, Miyuki's containment of her own magic was most likely almost solely due to Tatsuya.

Tatsuya don't wield any kind of mental interference magic to affect her psyche(maybe besides patting her on the head) ergo he can only forcefully supress her.
Also what you mention indeed took place however later on during the lunch at student council when Mari accused Tatsuya of hustling Mibu she recovered on her own(actualy you can find there origins of her particular condition). Besides ...

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The boy's hands were placed on both of the girl’s shoulders and the world that had been engulfed in the girl’s power and repainted looked as if it was being repressed.
What the two people said to each other or whether they conversed with their eyes alone without words could not be understood from off the stage.

lines like this gain new sense when you later on learn about yotsuba communiaction technique. Actualy when we are already at it ...

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The moment Aoki spat out this malicious sentiment, the walls were suddenly covered in frost.
The air conditioning kicked into overdrive trying to restore the rapidly falling temperature.
Swirls of cold air congregated around Miyuki's feet.
However, Tatsuya reached out with one finger on his left hand and, accompanied by the sound of a cassette player rewinding at high speed — a hallucination that only people that can sense magic can hear — the cold air vanished.
Miyuki's face alternated between angry red and green before turning completely pale. Tatsuya gathered his sister into his bosom with one hand before directing a chilling gaze that cut like a blade towards Aoki.
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Tatsuya gently held his beloved little sister who was sobbing into his chest. On the other hand, he continued to mercilessly press the attack on Aoki, who was responsible for driving his little sister into this state.
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And so, Tatsuya cradled the sobbing Miyuki as they left the premises without a word of goodbye.

You want to tell me that he was driven to the point where he actualy used highly classified magic mist dispersal on a whim and yet he hold back when it came to calm  down his sister ? .... this makes no sense to me. To be honest i recall only those 3 accidents where Miyuki lost it but by the looks of it Tatsuya gestures are nothing more than usual pampering. Besides it's pretty convienent way to use yotsuba communication ability if you ask me.

But "Art of the Sage" is just something that Mari thought Tatsuya used (I haven't read anywhere about it being used at all). The author explains beforehand that it was possibly an application of Gram Demolition. Maybe that application can only be realized through direct contact, I don't know, but I haven't read about an occasion where Tatsuya didn't directly touch Miyuki to prevent her powers from going wild.

I don't think I even mentioned anything about restraining Miyuki's magic calculation area or her lack in precision. Her main problem is controlling really high-level magic while she is sealing Tatsuya's powers. Freeze Flame has been mentioned to be a conceptual magic, heavily implying that it is extremely high-level since it is merely based on theory. And so with that, by having Tatsuya handle her power output, she can use Freeze Flame with just enough strength to neutralize the guns without harming the enemies.

As for Elemental Sight, I meant that imparting it to Miyuki didn't make sense. That's all.

The fact is that Tatsuya displayed ability to freely and precisely manipulate his psions in close proximity and there is actualy branch of ancient (aka non cad) nonsystematic magic for it. I'm suprised that it never made you wonder why ability that have no common points with gram demollition is called its aplication...
It's like saying that car is practical aplication of wheel ... while it is not false that's one hell of an understatement.

Also if you ask me freeze flame is not really high level magic ... at least not compared to Inferno or Niflheim where she has shown perfect control over it under the seal. Smart words mixed in spell description don't necessarily make it harder. As far as i see it freeze flame is basic oscilation magic that works by lowering temperature under certain threshold to prevent ignition. In this particular aplication its a bit harder since you don't use it as aoe ability(to freeze the room and everyone with it) but apply it in precise place ... which is not miyuki strong point(As a sidenote there is no need to hold back on output). So being embaressed here where she's unable to fulfil his beloved onisama request is legit. In the end she did show neither precison nor control ...

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« Reply #4087 on: March 22, 2013, 03:10:43 PM »
From my understanding they can share information through contact and so using Elemental Sight Tatsuya can send Miyuki target information for use with her magic. His only ability in 'controlling' Miyuki is suppressing her power when it gets out of hand due to uncontrolled emission. This happens twice during the Yokohama arc. The first time it is fully explained as such:
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and was in regards to the familiar following them. The second time is when she used freeze flame and Tatsuya holds her hand to give her the target coordinates because he purposefully stopped everyone out of line of sight in order to prevent them from getting shot. As she couldn't target the guns herself, she uses Tatsuya to be able to direct her magic out of sight.

Taking into account all of Tatsuya's achievements so far, I don't believe that suppressing Miyuki's powers ends with just "suppressing". If anything, I think the suppressing is all on Miyuki's side, because of the actual seal on Tatsuya's powers. I do very much agree that Tatsuya relays the information to Miyuki, but the extent of the things they are able to do through physical contact probably doesn't end at just that level.

I mentioned earlier the incident during the Student Council elections. It involved Tatsuya standing in front of Miyuki and holding her by the shoulders in order to take "the Psions Miyuki had scattered around and, without any cooperation from her, [pour] them back 'inside'." Going further back, when Miyuki and Tatsuya were going to school for I think was the second day, didn't Tatsuya hold Miyuki's hand when she released her power (because she was angry at her father for not caring about Tatsuya and stuff)? At first I thought that Miyuki managed to rein in her magic because Tatsuya held her hand, but considering Tatsuya's influence on her magic, Miyuki's containment of her own magic was most likely almost solely due to Tatsuya.

I don't know what exacly doesn't make sense to you ...
It's not even like he pointed her all 30 targets and even if that actualy took place I don't know how this prove your point of view. Using elemental sight togheter with yotsuba technique to transfer informations via psions is perfectly legit here. Whether hand had something to do with "proximity"/"existance" perception via elemental sight , masking technique that would identify them as yotsuba or preparation to use magic is insigificant here.

During elections Tatsuya forcefuly supressed her down with something called art of the sage( i will be damned if we dont see it in action with Tatsuya seal unleashed in the near future) and there is no indication of something similar happening here (mostly because it involved forceful absorbtion of released psions that were rewriting phenomena). Besidess Miyuki never really exceeded at precision magic, she tends to rely on wide area magic and her superior zone interference. I think Tatsuya also said it is more suitable style for her and suggest she try to learn a thing or two from hattori. Nothing also indicates that the seal restrain magic calculation area in any way(that would actualy be counterproductive to both guardian and top student she is supposed to be), the only thing we know is that it seals their power levels(psion count that is already described as pretty beastly compered to other magicians). She struggled at temple shooting range and i belive it's even clearly stated that by herself she would be able to target only half of the weapons ...

But "Art of the Sage" is just something that Mari thought Tatsuya used (I haven't read anywhere about it being used at all). The author explains beforehand that it was possibly an application of Gram Demolition. Maybe that application can only be realized through direct contact, I don't know, but I haven't read about an occasion where Tatsuya didn't directly touch Miyuki to prevent her powers from going wild.

I don't think I even mentioned anything about restraining Miyuki's magic calculation area or her lack in precision. Her main problem is controlling really high-level magic while she is sealing Tatsuya's powers. Freeze Flame has been mentioned to be a conceptual magic, heavily implying that it is extremely high-level since it is merely based on theory. And so with that, by having Tatsuya handle her power output, she can use Freeze Flame with just enough strength to neutralize the guns without harming the enemies.

As for Elemental Sight, I meant that imparting it to Miyuki didn't make sense. That's all.

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« Reply #4086 on: March 22, 2013, 10:01:50 AM »
I thought about it a little more and remembered the incident during the Student Council President elections (when Miyuki almost goes out of control and Tatsuya steps in to calm her down). Because Freeze Flame is such a high level magic, it needs a great degree of control, something Miyuki doesn't have when she's suppressing Tatsuya's powers. Having Tatsuya hold her hand allows Tatsuya to control her magic for her so that she can go all out.

Yeah, the Elemental Sight didn't make too much sense I guess, since Tatsuya does point out the location of the enemies to Miyuki. All she did was cast her magic at the places Tatsuya pointed at.

I don't know what exacly doesn't make sense to you ...
It's not even like he pointed her all 30 targets and even if that actualy took place I don't know how this prove your point of view. Using elemental sight togheter with yotsuba technique to transfer informations via psions is perfectly legit here. Whether hand had something to do with "proximity"/"existance" perception via elemental sight , masking technique that would identify them as yotsuba or preparation to use magic is insigificant here.

During elections Tatsuya forcefuly supressed her down with something called art of the sage( i will be damned if we dont see it in action with Tatsuya seal unleashed in the near future) and there is no indication of something similar happening here (mostly because it involved forceful absorbtion of released psions that were rewriting phenomena). Besidess Miyuki never really exceeded at precision magic, she tends to rely on wide area magic and her superior zone interference. I think Tatsuya also said it is more suitable style for her and suggest she try to learn a thing or two from hattori. Nothing also indicates that the seal restrain magic calculation area in any way(that would actualy be counterproductive to both guardian and top student she is supposed to be), the only thing we know is that it seals their power levels(psion count that is already described as pretty beastly compered to other magicians). She struggled at temple shooting range and i belive it's even clearly stated that by herself she would be able to target only half of the weapons ...

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« Reply #4085 on: March 22, 2013, 09:44:31 AM »
I thought about it a little more and remembered the incident during the Student Council President elections (when Miyuki almost goes out of control and Tatsuya steps in to calm her down). Because Freeze Flame is such a high level magic, it needs a great degree of control, something Miyuki doesn't have when she's suppressing Tatsuya's powers. Having Tatsuya hold her hand allows Tatsuya to control her magic for her so that she can go all out.

Yeah, the Elemental Sight didn't make too much sense I guess, since Tatsuya does point out the location of the enemies to Miyuki. All she did was cast her magic at the places Tatsuya pointed at.

From my understanding they can share information through contact and so using Elemental Sight Tatsuya can send Miyuki target information for use with her magic. His only ability in 'controlling' Miyuki is suppressing her power when it gets out of hand due to uncontrolled emission. This happens twice during the Yokohama arc. The first time it is fully explained as such:
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and was in regards to the familiar following them. The second time is when she used freeze flame and Tatsuya holds her hand to give her the target coordinates because he purposefully stopped everyone out of line of sight in order to prevent them from getting shot. As she couldn't target the guns herself, she uses Tatsuya to be able to direct her magic out of sight.

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« Reply #4084 on: March 22, 2013, 07:25:00 AM »
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why did she wrap her fingers around his hand  and how does it help her in handling all those targets  ?

I thought about it a little more and remembered the incident during the Student Council President elections (when Miyuki almost goes out of control and Tatsuya steps in to calm her down). Because Freeze Flame is such a high level magic, it needs a great degree of control, something Miyuki doesn't have when she's suppressing Tatsuya's powers. Having Tatsuya hold her hand allows Tatsuya to control her magic for her so that she can go all out.

Yeah, the Elemental Sight didn't make too much sense I guess, since Tatsuya does point out the location of the enemies to Miyuki. All she did was cast her magic at the places Tatsuya pointed at.

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« Reply #4083 on: March 22, 2013, 03:24:39 AM »
About Maya: Yes, you are right, in case someone ask: No, it doesn't been translated yet, I think mentioned was an SS, but comes included in Vol 8, so We need patience until @Seitsuki, @Drey and I think there's more Staff take that chapter.

According my POV, CADs are different from firearms, 101st Battalion used high powered rifles which uses magic as reiforcer for their mechanism and bullets, CADs comes in different shapes, could be like cell phone, hand gun, baton, rifle, others, CADs shape as firearm doesnt implies they need point the against the target in way to reach it, take as example Mayumi competition with Tats help.
On firearms, I think Tats doing was using special spell or specially fabricated bullet in the way He can use magic to help broken physics law  (in RL no matter how powered is the rifle ever could reach 5 kilometers, less the 15 kms told by the story), on the other hand, the rifles described as anti magician looks to me they using normal high power rifles, could be have some conditions like 7,62 mms, long barrel, +P ammunition, among many others.
On the SC Tats CAD rifle, it seem to me we talking 2 different firearms when he used in Okinawa and Yokohama/Tsukushima, first was some Lt Sanada haves there in place and 2nd is specialized made it for and developed during 3 years between Capt Sanada, Lt Fujibashi and Sp Lt Tatsuya, if Tats by chance made wrong estimation in the weight use for MB could be a real disaster, 1 grams really made difference, so if he could have the CAD he actually use in Yokohama, is probably there's no tsunami and Sakurai could still alive.

I feel like the same information is being repeated over and over again, but not being understood even when we have a clean translation to reference.

There are CADs (Casting Assistance Devices), there are WIDs (Weaponized Intergrated Devices), and there are normal guns (High-powered Rifles in this case).

CADs are further split between specialized and general purpose. A general purpose device can have any appearance, but typically are generic input device shaped such as bracelets, tablets, and cellphone in appearance. They take in an input and can output up to 99 different sequences.

Specialized CADs are modified so that form fits function and sacrifice the all-purpose nature of general CADs for specialized hardware, interfaces, and software. The most frequently seen specialized CADs to date are the 'gun shaped' CADs due to the addition of a targeting assist interface. The longer the barrel, the greater the emphasis on targeting assistance is given and the less input is needed by the user. Short barrel (very little targeting assist) are called 'civilian' models while long barrel (greater targeting assistance) are called 'carbine' models. Logically speaking, the more emphasis is placed on targeting assistance the faster the process is because it relies less on the magician's input and is otherwise automated. The reason why they are gun shaped is simply so that they can be pointed and aimed instead of having to input targeting information. As mentioned, Mayumi uses a short barrel 'civilian' model during crowd ball due to her personal aiming being superior to the targeting assistance (at which point she would've had to aim manually which would've been slower for her) and just used the specialized CAD for its superior processing and casting speed. This was why she kept it pointed down at the ground because the targeting assistance was redundant for her. The other specialized CAD we've seen is the flight cad which is similar to a generalized CAD except the interface has been stripped down to just have an on/off button. You turn it on and the sequence for magic is started, you turn it off and it terminates.

WIDs are weapons with CADs integrated into them to fit a particular function. They function first and foremost as a weapon with the integrated device supplying an additional aspect such as superior cutting power, increased inertia, or reinforced strength. To put it simply, a Specialized CAD in the shape of a gun is just aimed like a gun but fires magic while a WID in the shape of a gun is an actual gun firing actual bullets, but uses magic to increase its performance beyond normal (negate recoil, increase bullet speed, disperse heat and prevent overheating, etc etc).

High-powered Rifles are normal guns that fire high-powered rounds (as the name suggests) without the use the magic. This, as was explained in the Yokohama arc, is the response to outfit normal soldiers to combat magicians and their defensive magic. They are specially designed for anti-magician combat by regular soldiers without magic and are thus impossible to acquire outside the military. Imagine the M16 rifle but modified to fire magnum (refers to packing additional powder in the charge to increase range and muzzle velocity) 50 caliber rounds instead of the 5.56 which is roughly 1/5 its size.

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The weapon used in Okinawa was a WID sniper rifle modified for increased range.
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The use of the phrase CAD is a bit confusing at this point, but since WIDs were 'revolutionary' at the time of the Nine Schools Competition its appropriate as a classification in the past. Note how it mentions it fires 7.62mm bullets which are not Anti-Material rounds so the distance and penetrative power can be assumed to be from the WID's supplemental magic and not the rifle's actual performance. Of course they talk about the practicalities because while it's novel to be able to fire 16km, it would be relatively impossible to aim accurately at that distance. This is why Tatsuya fires 3 rounds and then follows the most accurate as closely as possible.

The weapon used in Yokohama, Third Eye, was a Specialized CAD designed in the shape of a sniper rifle for extreme range. The CAD interfaces with a satellite in orbit for targeting coordinates and then fires magic at a point specified by Tatsuya. The reason it is in the shape of a sniper rifle is, using the previous logic of longer barrel means greater automated assistance, because the magic fired with it is literally Over the Horizon and at ranges practically invisible to the naked eye. The fact that he can target a drop of water on a ship in the ocean or the flag from a ship docked on the other side of an island gives testament to the aiming calculations of the device.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4082 on: March 22, 2013, 02:34:28 AM »

i think it is described in Untouchable/Nightmare of A.D.2062 but thats just my guess


Base for my misunderstanding was the way it was written ... if i use the word rifle cad you will most probably think about Specialized CAD that use auxiliary sighting systems, going this way sniper rifle cad would be tuned/specialized in long distance casting ... suddenly adding ability to discharge a bullet into equation is confusing and i kind of missed existance of firearm integrated cads reading the novel (i think its only confiremed that Yannagi and Itadaki have (firearm) weapon integrated cads, i guess i assumed that used rifles are hi-powered type )


PS it looks like Dreyakis intends to tackle vol 5 ... wouldn't mind if he would have taken longer break ... thanks for the hard work bro  :yay:

About Maya: Yes, you are right, in case someone ask: No, it doesn't been translated yet, I think mentioned was an SS, but comes included in Vol 8, so We need patience until @Seitsuki, @Drey and I think there's more Staff take that chapter.

According my POV, CADs are different from firearms, 101st Battalion used high powered rifles which uses magic as reiforcer for their mechanism and bullets, CADs comes in different shapes, could be like cell phone, hand gun, baton, rifle, others, CADs shape as firearm doesnt implies they need point the against the target in way to reach it, take as example Mayumi competition with Tats help.
On firearms, I think Tats doing was using special spell or specially fabricated bullet in the way He can use magic to help broken physics law  (in RL no matter how powered is the rifle ever could reach 5 kilometers, less the 15 kms told by the story), on the other hand, the rifles described as anti magician looks to me they using normal high power rifles, could be have some conditions like 7,62 mms, long barrel, +P ammunition, among many others.
On the SC Tats CAD rifle, it seem to me we talking 2 different firearms when he used in Okinawa and Yokohama/Tsukushima, first was some Lt Sanada haves there in place and 2nd is specialized made it for and developed during 3 years between Capt Sanada, Lt Fujibashi and Sp Lt Tatsuya, if Tats by chance made wrong estimation in the weight use for MB could be a real disaster, 1 grams really made difference, so if he could have the CAD he actually use in Yokohama, is probably there's no tsunami and Sakurai could still alive.

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4081 on: March 22, 2013, 01:53:54 AM »
Is it just me or does anyone else want to read about a bunch of enemy personal attacking Miyuki :redcard: (preferably in front of her and Tatuya's friends) and Tatsuya disintegrates them from the other side of the country? :kamina:

The thing is Tatsuya Mist Dispersal is kind of anti climatic ability. Regular magic work by rewritting edios making defense possible, Tatsuya break it apart making it a bit of a sucker punch. Trident is designed to erase zone interference, data fortification and finaly flesh (he also proved cast jamming against him is useless ). By itself this magic is flawless, truly a one shoot one kill offensive ability . Phalanx is only bruteforce attempt to overpower mist dipersal(kind of the strongest shield vs the strongest sword where they explode after clash ... ) while Lina on the other hand use, for her advantage, theory behind magic invocation(though i can only assume that based on summary). They are not true counters ... I am too lazy to bring technical and mechanical details and make another beast post though... I would like to see however Tatsuya going wild with his flashcast ... unlikely since it would identify their connection to yotsuba but there is also Special Lieutenant Ooguro Ryuuya to expect great things from ...
  
I read some post which says maya was kidnapped and raped by some organisation. Can someone direct me to that volume? i have not found it in the baka -tsuki or in the web novel [1 to 6 summaries].

i think it is described in Untouchable/Nightmare of A.D.2062 but thats just my guess


The rifle Tatsuya used in the Vol8 is not a full/normal CAD, its technically a anti-material rifle built with a single type spell specialized CAD component used only to extend its range (with a series of spell sequences combined into a single spell to reduce resistance, increase inertial etc). Its like Erika's baton CAD and the "sword" Tatsuya made for fun in the 9 school battle arc. If anything, the entire 101 were using similar type of assault rifles in the Yokohama Invasion (which allowed their bullets to tear through armored vehicles to some extend).

Base for my misunderstanding was the way it was written ... if i use the word rifle cad you will most probably think about Specialized CAD that use auxiliary sighting systems, going this way sniper rifle cad would be tuned/specialized in long distance casting ... suddenly adding ability to discharge a bullet into equation is confusing and i kind of missed existance of firearm integrated cads reading the novel (i think its only confiremed that Yannagi and Itadaki have (firearm) weapon integrated cads, i guess i assumed that used rifles are hi-powered type )

Volume 9: yet another version xD

Some pages got added etc.
... how many more versions am I supposed to upload >.>

And i still appreciate even though my martian is probably better than my Japanese ... thanks  :yay:

PS it looks like Dreyakis intends to tackle vol 5 ... wouldn't mind if he would have taken longer break ... thanks for the hard work bro  :yay:

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4080 on: March 22, 2013, 12:08:17 AM »
To be honest CADs shooting bullets ? ... I don't know what to think about that  ... waiting for translation ...

As for Elemental sight ... its a headache ... it provides more utility than Swiss Army knife ... superpwer description is actualy pretty fitting

 
The rifle Tatsuya used in the Vol8 is not a full/normal CAD, its technically a anti-material rifle built with a single type spell specialized CAD component used only to extend its range (with a series of spell sequences combined into a single spell to reduce resistance, increase inertial etc). Its like Erika's baton CAD and the "sword" Tatsuya made for fun in the 9 school battle arc. If anything, the entire 101 were using similar type of assault rifles in the Yokohama Invasion (which allowed their bullets to tear through armored vehicles to some extend).

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4079 on: March 21, 2013, 11:46:04 PM »
Volume 9: yet another version xD

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Some pages got added etc.
... how many more versions am I supposed to upload >.>


Thanks very much anyway for the upload.

...And no matter how many more versions you're planning to upload, I'll still download it, so please don't get bored? (:

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Re: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei vol.01-09+
« Reply #4078 on: March 21, 2013, 11:07:30 PM »
Is it just me or does anyone else want to read about a bunch of enemy personal attacking Miyuki :redcard: (preferably in front of her and Tatuya's friends) and Tatsuya disintegrates them from the other side of the country? :kamina:
Nah, it is enough to beat them by using martial arts, Teaching fear that is. :wahaha: :wahaha: