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« Reply #203 on: September 28, 2013, 11:00:11 AM »
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« Reply #202 on: September 21, 2013, 09:13:43 AM »
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thank yoou for upload vol 1-2
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« Reply #201 on: September 14, 2013, 01:35:26 PM »
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The conversation was kinda ambiguous, well VERY amibiguous, but -2 relationship points with Nana. >_> Well played, Saki-sensei.

And sure by relation Yuichi's Shin's elder bro but you'd think Shin would show a bit more hostility after being told everything by Miyu... Even if he doesn't know about the attempted NTR, even stealing a kiss from your (probably most intimate by now) girl is pretty rageworthy.

Also another 1-week break. Bummer. :(
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« Reply #200 on: September 13, 2013, 02:39:30 PM »
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« Reply #199 on: September 09, 2013, 07:52:07 AM »
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« Reply #198 on: September 08, 2013, 01:58:15 AM »
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Holy damnit, what a nice chapter!!!

Man, that gave me a better boner than some hentais.
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« Reply #197 on: September 07, 2013, 06:17:22 PM »
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Chapter 50
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« Reply #196 on: September 03, 2013, 09:04:24 AM »
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Volume 2:

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« Reply #195 on: September 01, 2013, 02:02:39 PM »
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Volume 1:

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« Reply #194 on: September 01, 2013, 01:33:31 PM »
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Okkei, 2 weeks of break passed faster than I expected.

Hmm, in this copy I can't read the bubble to the left in page 428 thanks to scanning done wrong, anybody knows what it has?

Also I love it when trial version of a game is the full version itself. :D


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Shin hasn't the best arguments in his position

You mean the part about "I love all 8 of you just about equally"? He could just say, "I'm the successor of a rich big ass fortune, it'd be perfectly fitting for me to have an array of concubines, so why not? I'll just marry one but keep the remaining 7 of you anyway." That's a pretty good answer considering his status, and in fact a perfectly legit way to give a harem ending to this story.

But yeah, man up enough first, kid.


Also, I think today I learned on what is Happoubi Jin's name a pun on. ;D

Also その2: I just realized: bad move, Shin my boy. Probably Miyu is good natured, but if they really go all the way, in theory all Miyu needs to do is to break her promise and reveal that they had sex (and they're not even using protection as of yet), and Shin must marry her then.
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« Reply #193 on: September 01, 2013, 02:57:38 AM »
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But yeah, Shin hasn't the best arguments in his position^^
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« Reply #192 on: September 01, 2013, 12:34:06 AM »
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Chapter 1-13 Re-Up
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« Reply #191 on: August 31, 2013, 09:26:12 PM »
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Now #49 LQ :
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« Reply #190 on: August 26, 2013, 02:40:04 AM »
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 tanks  ı love this manga
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« Reply #189 on: August 14, 2013, 09:23:44 PM »
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its just to much to read.

The warning above the spoiler was there for a reason :P
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« Reply #188 on: August 14, 2013, 08:58:53 PM »
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Sailabc1 and Prozess, you guys had a pretty good discusion there. Nice arguments. This could serve as a NTR Reference/Bible (cause of the extention). At first I thought "borring", but I read all the shit you sickos wrote hahaha. Don´t make it happen again ok, its just to much to read.
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« Reply #187 on: August 11, 2013, 03:25:06 AM »
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More importantly, I need to see Yuichirou get beaten the crap out of by ANYBODY (Gen or gramps would be fine too if Shin can't do it). Chopping his dick off and feeding it to the sharks (along with the rest of him) is a more reasonable and acceptable solution, but I imagine the author doesn't see things my way

Also, kissing, fucking and marrying with anyone is fine? Then it'd be quite nice if YUICHIROU gets NTR'd for a change (tho I doubt even then he'd care). I'm sure the joshiana wife is frustrated with Yui too then, her coming to Shin for a change would be nice  


P.S. Saki-sensei, putting busty girls (especially a manly meganekko at that) in hot swimsuits on the cover and just leaving it at that is criminal, you know?  
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« Reply #186 on: August 11, 2013, 02:50:35 AM »
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First of all:

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« Reply #185 on: August 10, 2013, 08:08:04 PM »
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we'd have to wait on xlation to be sure but I think he accused her either of sleeping with middle brother or loving him.
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« Reply #184 on: August 10, 2013, 05:27:05 PM »
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& now one chapter more #48 LQ :
Why the slap?
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« Reply #183 on: August 04, 2013, 11:02:35 PM »
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@Prozzes I mean in general not only in this case, for example, Half & Half chapter #03 was to me NTR in almost every sense of the word, while, also for example, the Haruto/Yuzuki/Kazama part from KNIM was worthy of being called NTResque even when I know is not really NTR, given that there are the feelings of betrayal characteristic of this classification .

If you wanna know what I have to say, go look up 
But I agree on Half & Half there. Nice scene. But Seo was always more of a Rage Author. Can't really say the same for Saki.
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« Reply #182 on: August 04, 2013, 04:18:19 PM »
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@Prozzes I mean in general not only in this case, for example, Half & Half chapter #03 was to me NTR in almost every sense of the word, while, also for example, the Haruto/Yuzuki/Kazama part from KNIM was worthy of being called NTResque even when I know is not really NTR, given that there are the feelings of betrayal characteristic of this classification .
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« Reply #181 on: August 04, 2013, 09:14:11 AM »
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Oh, I'm always ready for more than just that (a romantic night culminating into something "hot hot hot", perhaps). Just saying that's just the "least" she could do. I have some exhibitionism fetish too BTW  
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« Reply #180 on: August 04, 2013, 09:12:38 AM »
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Have seen it before in a couple o' ero manga too... It's a play on beach but could always refer to a "bitch in heat" too (in beach!). Now that I mention it, for an ecchi manga, too little has happened on the beach considering they're in a such a location. It'd be a waste of potential if nothing at all happens. At least make a bikini top slip-away happen before this arc ends  

I believe far better things have already happened, as that a bikini top slip-away would make anyone excited-.-
I would rather prefer a romantic night at the beah under the starry sky.
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« Reply #179 on: August 04, 2013, 09:04:11 AM »
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As for the "bitch" part, I think the author is more pressing on a wordplay with beach than anything.

Have seen it before in a couple o' ero manga too... It's a play on beach but could always refer to a "bitch in heat" too (in beach!). Now that I mention it, for an ecchi manga, too little has happened on the beach considering they're in a such a location. It'd be a waste of potential if nothing at all happens. At least make a bikini top slip-away happen before this arc ends (especially when that actually happened in a swimming pool xP) 
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« Reply #178 on: August 04, 2013, 08:30:08 AM »
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I'd still guess he means "it was going to be NTR if it were to be the case that the cheating happened", but anyway...


I grit my teeth here as I blocked the yellow part to see what happened, I kid you not. Okay, Miss Kaori took the easy way out. Be sure to get her wet next time in fear of getting NTR'd then :P

EDIT: Read it. I can't call it 100% over yet, but at least now there's a situation where Shin can sock Yui' squarely in the face (which he needs to) if he finds out everything. Also Miyu's facial expression all along is too "comedic" for me to tell how seriously to take this >.>

Aside from that, I wouldn't judge the book by its cover, but heat things up a bit more if you're going to use lines like "hot hot hot in Maldives" and "bitch in beach", dear author...

Well,

As for the "bitch" part, I think the author is more pressing on a wordplay with beach than anything. She even added a "still a virgin" part.
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« Reply #177 on: August 04, 2013, 07:33:18 AM »
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>nothing happens, but hey it's NTR!
See, now that's a typical NTR weabo 

Anyway, they say:


Now why does your spoiler make me think Yuichiro is a closet necrophiliac?? 
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« Reply #176 on: August 04, 2013, 06:35:43 AM »
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I'd still guess he means "it was going to be NTR if it were to be the case that the cheating happened", but anyway...


I grit my teeth here as I blocked the yellow part to see what happened, I kid you not. Okay, Miss Kaori took the easy way out. Be sure to get her wet next time in fear of getting NTR'd then :P

EDIT: Read it. I can't call it 100% over yet, but at least now there's a situation where Shin can sock Yui' squarely in the face (which he needs to) if he finds out everything. Also Miyu's facial expression all along is too "comedic" for me to tell how seriously to take this >.>

Aside from that, I wouldn't judge the book by its cover, but heat things up a bit more if you're going to use lines like "hot hot hot in Maldives" and "bitch in beach", dear author...
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« Reply #175 on: August 04, 2013, 01:29:59 AM »
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C´mon, if it feels like NTR, to me at least, it is NTR, maybe not for you @PROzess but who cares, right? At the end of the day it's just my point of view anyway nothing happened at the end (yet) , now I would love to know what they say?
BTW good cover page but too few pages overall .


>nothing happens, but hey it's NTR!
See, now that's a typical NTR weabo 

Anyway, they say:
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« Reply #174 on: August 03, 2013, 06:55:02 PM »
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#47 LQ:
C´mon, if it feels like NTR, to me at least, it is NTR, maybe not for you @PROzess but who cares, right? At the end of the day it's just my point of view anyway nothing happened at the end (yet) , now I would love to know what they say?
BTW good cover page but too few pages overall .
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« Reply #173 on: August 01, 2013, 05:28:33 AM »
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they went through a relationship, then a breakup and be in a good relationship with that old man for a while but not coupling up all the way, then reconcile again at the end.

That's exactly how Haru yo Koi by the same author as Hachi Ichi, Saki Kaori, went.

And yeah, judging by the title, I also believe the girls will be stuck with Shin.
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« Reply #172 on: August 01, 2013, 05:15:49 AM »
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« Reply #171 on: August 01, 2013, 04:57:50 AM »
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« Reply #170 on: August 01, 2013, 04:43:53 AM »
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Yeah, I figured our differences in opinion are basically about that "quantity" of emotions after all...


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While she might be his fiancée, this whole situation is far from normal


Manga often aren't meant to be normal, let's just be happy a touch of realism is there in the interactions and circumstances in the given setting :P I'm not without bias myself, like I said at first, when I read a harem setting manga, I start with a mindset of "they're all mine (MC's)" until something otherwise becomes obvious.

 
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« Reply #169 on: August 01, 2013, 04:06:47 AM »
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Well,
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« Reply #168 on: August 01, 2013, 03:46:03 AM »
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I also actually can see Shin agreeing to Miyu, if she should want to leave the "harem".


 
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« Reply #167 on: August 01, 2013, 03:32:50 AM »
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just that you too chose the wrong person to try and make a scapegoat out of at the wrong time, and that's what became a problem.
Not really a problem for me 

Further, there's some foreshadowing at the Maldives marriage chapter, at the end, there's a narration that goes (at the time of snapping the photo), "At that time, it would have been better not to know what was going to happen from that point onwards... ", meaning things might get ugly after all. It's hard to predict.


I believe at this point spoiler tags are in place, since the stuff isn't actually scanlated yet :)
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« Reply #166 on: August 01, 2013, 02:30:59 AM »
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If I offended you in some way, I can apologize, but everyone on the internet knows I'm a dick, it's no secret  But to be honest, you are only a scape-coat that was at the wrong place at the wrong time^^

Your scanlations are all over the net, and you're all over this forum, I know well enough who and what you are, but it's none of my business if you're being a dick in general, it only is when you're being a dick to me, see. It's just that you too chose the wrong person to try and make a scapegoat out of at the wrong time, and that's what became a problem. :P If that's all there is to it, guess we can call it even

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It's a damn cliché shoujo pattern, but no one screams NTR there. And that's just the same the brother is doing here, judging by the development so far.

 
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« Reply #165 on: August 01, 2013, 02:10:08 AM »
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To begin with the term NTR was formed in context with Hentai.
It's pretty legal there as a form of "fetish" or whatever you like to call it. Hentai always has somehow lacked a type of common sense, so situations like NTR could play out in any kind of situation.
But (imo) it's different for normal (non-hentai) series. However the term NTR at some point crossed over into the normal manga world (also a thing I dont like). I believe character settings are more complex and real than in hentai (stuff like velvet kiss I dont consider hentai btw, just borderline).

I also read all previous works of Saki-sensei, even translated 2 (3 if you count the first chapters of this one), and even though while she also draw some hentai, her stories were always more on the vanilla side. It would be rather unexpected if she suddenly would draw a hardcore NTR story.
Again, I don't like the premature usage of the term NTR.

If I offended you in some way, I can apologize, but everyone on the internet knows I'm a dick, it's no secret  But to be honest, you are only a scape-coat that was at the wrong place at the wrong time^^ I never liked the "NTR weabos" and you just happened to join the discussion at a bad point^^
Like I said previously, it's nothing personal, but just my natural reflex towards the (unjust) mention of NTR :P

All in all my opinion is pretty much biased on my huge vanilla fetish anyway. I do enjoy some NTR stories, but only in hentai. In my normal manga I need sweet romance, specially in a Saki Kaori manga :) Her previous works all had fantastic love stories (without any NTR).

Imo, the courting of the brother that takes place here in Hachi Ichi, is the same as in any other shoujo (though he's now married and its then to be considered infidelity):
>Girl loves Boy A
>They start to date
>Boy B pops up and starts to court girl to make Boy A jealous and ultimately bring the couple closer together.
It's a damn cliché shoujo pattern, but no one screams NTR there.
And that's just the same the brother is doing here, judging by the development so far.
Again, it MIGHT turn NTR, but not necessarily.
If shoujo can do without NTR, then please seinen can do so too :)
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« Reply #164 on: August 01, 2013, 12:50:05 AM »
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'kay, much better.

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As you claimed it yourself, it means BECOMING SOMEONE ELSE LOVER.


But I'm not claiming that at all, merely giving an example that an author thinks so (or thought so - I see the author of Chisa x Pon is no more). I actually disagree with that - because if it compulsorily has to be about becoming someone else's lover, there'd be no such thing as "Type 3/Type C NTR" in which the girl is only defiled by someone other than the person she's romantically getting involved with; it's pure non-consensual rape all the way, without becoming the stealer's lover (unless mind break -> slavery counts).

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The sole reason I only got "angry/sick" was because people use the term NTR BEFORE anything actually happens. Nowadays in a romance manga, people scream NTR, NTR!! as soon as a new male character shows up, even though he hasn't done anything yet.

Okay, it did start a little too early concerning Miyu's situation, but then again I can't blame them after the case with Kaede, because thanks to that he was giving this playboy adulterer vibe already, and after the kiss in chapter 32(?) on top of that attitude, anyone would be fearing that. Aside from that, nobody's saying that NTR's happened already. Everyone's just bracing for the worst in next chapter, of course it doesn't happen until... well, it happens. It might not even happen (all the way, at least), because after looking up this author's works a bit, I don't see any talk of NTR in her works, Haru Yo Koi has "infidelity" tag but no NTR tag, dunno if it's got to do with people with the psychology of "it's not NTR if all 3 involved are female" or it's the alpha girl that does it.

Also, it may be worth pointing out that Shin does have enough feelings to say "I love you"... Except he says it to a lot of people   That either makes him Itou Mankoto, or turns him into the exception that you find DxD and Campione to be, and as he's not an asshole enough yet (and it's "legit" for him to get them all thanks to the harem setting without making it cheating), it's too early for him to be compared to the fail protag legend, so I'd be giving him the benefit of doubt and think he has it in him to own the harem and love 'em all for real.

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nothing has happened yet, no mutual feelings

It's there - even if a lot of it happens through sexual stuff, it's clear he's charming them all and liking them all himself, plus the scenes certainly look like there's emotion in it than solely raw sex drive just because he's thrown into a squishy pile of 8 pairs of lipid mounds (again except the case of the only REAL gold digger wench - also that is not to say sex drive isn't present at all but again, nobody's fault there). You and I just disagree on how much "quantity" needs to be there for it to count as a NTR, and as I'm a student of Fuzzy Theory and seeing as there's no standard unit to measure it, let's just leave it at that.

Aside from that, I see you're going for a much purer definition if you say actual love has to be present on the stealer's side as well - well, NTR isn't even meant to be a genre, and it prolly wasn't some 10 years ago, only recently because the turn-on at the sight of watching nice things burn has it become a rage and a "pseudo-genre" of its own in the last 5 years or so. That's why I was going for the, for the lack of better words, "a fan's general definition in regards to the NTR pseudo-genre" coz that's how it works for the fans who turned it into a such a genre in the first place. I don't know who exactly is the origin of these classifications and, outside the literal textbook definition, he prolly has as much rights to define what's NTR as you and I do, but these "Type A/B/C" thingies seem to be pretty popular and accepted among the general fanbase, and considering type C, rape counts, as long as the one being stolen from has enough presence. It's fine though, it's a perspective thing as to whether you see NTR as a "genre" or just the basic case of "one lover taking her from another", like say in Usotsuki Paradox.

Just please play nice and a bit more tolerant; the NTR fetish & genre booms because of the relatively shallower version of the definition, and even reputed sellers like DMM and Getchu tag their products following this definition today. Yoroshiku. *bows*
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« Reply #163 on: July 31, 2013, 11:43:52 PM »
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Otherwise, are you saying it's not NTR if the entire female cast of Omamori Himari gets raped (MC hasn't confessed, not even to title character)? TLR/TLR Darkness? Maga Tsuki? Tsuki Tsuki?

That's exactly what I'm saying.
TLR might be a bit different, since Rito actually confessed to two girls.
I hold onto my opinion that NTR can only be applied when someone "belongs" to you, meaning a mutual love. Most harems are one-sided loves from the herione towards the MC. The MC HAS to keep his feelings vague or else the harem would break down (most of the cases, DxD and campione being a major exception).

I also read all of your examples you have given and fully agree on your points there.

I still hold my claim that the term NTR cannot (yet) be applied to Hachi Ichi.
Imo, Shinichiro's feeling at this point are still more of a rivalry against his brother. I do admit that Shin is started to develop feelings and the jealous part with Kaede is acceptable too. But it's still TOO early to call it NTR.
As you claimed it yourself, it means BECOMING SOMEONE ELSE LOVER. But this doesnt happen here (yet). We dont even know yet if the brother is just playing around.

The sole reason I only got "angry/sick" was because people use the term NTR BEFORE anything actually happens. Nowadays in a romance manga, people scream NTR, NTR!! as soon as a new male character shows up, even though he hasn't done anything yet.
NTR means that another guy has to shift the love from a heroine towards himself, taking her interest away from the MC. In hentai that is mostly achieved by raping her and making her addicted the D. However it can be achieved by other means with mutual sex at the end. Chisa x Pon was just rape, not mutual there at all.
But in all these cases where people scream NTR, nothing has happened yet, no mutual feelings, no girl switched.
I do agree that with the latest chapter of hachi ichi, NTR might become reality in the future, but the discussion over NTR popped up way earlier, where it wasn't apparent at all.
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« Reply #162 on: July 31, 2013, 09:57:40 PM »
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Nothing personal, but that's why it's no use to argue with NTR weabos  



Call someone a "weaboo" just coz you're too tired to talk about something and you're begging to make it personal, pal.

Anyway, my bad for getting into a discussion without being fully up-to-date about it... I dropped this at around chapter 12 or so and then came back only now seeing all this "NTR" talk thinking something's gonna spice up and DL'd the last 5 chapters; took me a while to catch up fully... Thanks to that lack of information some juvenile-head took me for quite a ride. And someone who actually scanlated part of the series to boot, you'd think he knew what he was talking about

Welp, either way, incumming wall o' words (readers open at own risk, it can give you quite a headache if you're not used to them):


tl;dr: Naysayers best be stocking up on some anti-nausea medication, coz if something bad happens next chapter - and by the looks of the turn of events for Miyu and all the foreshadowing in the latest chapters, there's a pretty high risk of that happening - Imma throw around the term "NTR" quite a looot more, and they're going to have to deal with all of it too.

Until next chapter or next response, whichever is earlier~
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« Reply #161 on: July 29, 2013, 12:53:56 AM »
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Nothing personal, but that's why it's no use to argue with NTR weabos  

I agree that the reaction of the MC plays a big part for NTR. And you can hardly compare ecchi "NTR" to hentai NTR. The whole "plot" setup in hentai is different. But on that aspect, I have yet to read a NTR hentai, where the situation is as vague as in Hachi Ichi. From all the hentai I read (and I read a lot), the situations have always been pretty obvious.
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« Reply #160 on: July 28, 2013, 01:48:44 PM »
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its only natural as a man that he gets attracted to them

That's part of it if you ask me. In cases where there ain't love at first sight, things develop gradually. No feelings -> gain affinity even if through pervy ways -> get closer enough to get romantic -> be in love. Now in many cases the line between any 2 stages is kinda fuzzy. It's not about "oh she's cute, she's my type" - could be just me being biased, but when I'm reading a harem manga, I do it with a mindset of "all of them are potentially mine (to bang, or love, or whatever) until undisputably decided otherwise", if that's how they have been "allocated" for the MC. So unless relationships with the MC detoriate or there's a break-up, and his aforementioned "attraction" to them is still present, the NTR vibes for the reader is there unless the MC himself goes "meh" about it. If the girl finds another boyfriend, fine, declare a break-up and pull out of Shinichirou candidacy. You're a free woman then and there'll be truly no NTR there anymore.

Yeah, deciding NTR on carnality-spurred attraction than pure, emotional affections sounds a bit shallow, but otherwise many NTR-themed H-manga/anime/games can't even be considered NTR anymore, right?   Hell, existence of a fetish/genre based on the act of this alone is pretty shallow, and... and... okay, I don't need to deny it, I'm that damn shallow when it comes to 2D content that I might fap to






To be fair it may be too early to call it NTR though, depends on the MC's reaction (if he comes to know about it). There can indeed be no hard feelings, or sometimes there may be no strong visible feelings but the sense of jealousy wells up only after the "bad" thing happens (this is what will make it NTR IMO).

And of course, more importantly depends on if it WILL happen at all, lol.

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« Reply #159 on: July 28, 2013, 01:11:38 PM »
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The problem is not what it means, but to what situation it applies.

Shinichirou has yet to declare or even find his true love for one of the girls. As long has he hasn't done that, nothing can be stolen from him. Its no fucking NTR.

In Nozoki Ana, the MC was genuinely in love with Kotobiki, but that was taken away from him by her betrayal/the other guy. Thus it's NTR.

But it just doesn't apply to Hachi Ichi.
Just because you see a girl and think "Oh, she's cute. She's my type", it's not NTR when she suddenly finds some other guy as a boyfriend.
And let's be honest here, that's the state Shinichirou is atm. 8 random girls were thrown at him and he even got down to some business with them, its only natural as a man that he gets attracted to them. But it's not genuinely love, yet. Just a mere attraction due to the circumstances of a harem.

tl;dr: Just because the girl doesn't end up with the MC, doesn't make it automatically NTR. Don't use the term so casually. I'm sick of it.
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« Reply #158 on: July 28, 2013, 12:37:57 PM »
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Ne = sleep, torare = to be taken. Netorare = To be taken by sleep(ing with).

Literally that's all it means, right?

In any case, I prefer not to go for the textbook definition, I prefer to follow the vibe (from the standpoint of the main character, most of the time) depending on the context (and right now, it's that of a harem). If it turns out Shin really didn't care about her much the feeling would automatically disappear and I'd drop the aspect too. Same reason why I consider Kotobiki Yuri in Nozoki Ana NTR too, even though some people argue that's not the case coz technically she had a boyfriend already so there's no "stealing" away. It's a character's perspective thing IMO.
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« Reply #157 on: July 28, 2013, 12:33:51 PM »
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I wish people would stop throwing around the term NTR when they dont even know what it means.... 
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« Reply #156 on: July 28, 2013, 11:57:40 AM »
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*Shrugs* Hey, even if he technically hasn't decided, it's called Hachi Ichi. The pretext is a 8:1 harem (though indeed doesn't look like Nana is going to be one), anyone getting "genuinely" lost has a NTR feel. 7:1 is still fine but if those with development are taken away...  Actually I wouldn't even like Nana to go (you mentioned hachi ichi, gimme hachi ichi!!!   At least until he decides on his girl... But then again that'd prolly happen at the end of the series). Fortunately Genichirou doesn't look like the type to steal like that and isn't into marriage.

I know having a harem of 8 to live with isn't supposed to be realistic in the first place, but... It's still a harem setup ;__;

Still, tell you what,

 
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« Reply #155 on: July 28, 2013, 04:14:45 AM »
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Next chapter NTR?
Also, technically its no NTR, since Shinichirou hasnt decided on a girl yet. NTR means to steal your LOVED one. Being attracted to 8 girls you live with is only natural and not counted as really "loving" them.

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« Reply #154 on: July 27, 2013, 10:27:42 PM »
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#46 LQ:
Next chapter NTR?


why worry?  he's got at least 6 more just as nice.  If one splits, it'd just show she didn't want the money or give a shit for Shinichirou
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