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Author Topic: Mafia vs Townies vs those shinny vampires from Twilight game part Deux, revenge of the Ketchup  (Read 4459 times)

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I'll put it to 12 hours day/night
24 hours day/night seems to ridicules

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yeah, no...you risk shooting your own game in the foot with that. but the dice is in your hand

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I'll start later on today.
 :XD:
And Ura, you'll be in the game


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so it would be great to make the day and night phases 24h each.
Ok, I'll try

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well, obviously, as you can see, she posted before you saying she is going to play.

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Sub in eliza for me in the player list to keep the count.

@R3d-if you want any help running admin'ing the game I can help, though I won't run it (won't be consistent enough with deadlines if u remember last time >_>)

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Sorry, I'm here now :) I'm playing, but it's kinda hard to post at the same time you guys do, because of the time zone, so it would be great to make the day and night phases 24h each.

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well when i told her about this she said she was gonna play but i can't get in touch with her now, so maybe she's busy? no idea. if ura wants to play, we can start without her.

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just stay tune...
I'm waiting for Sak getting her friend for this game

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When will the game take place btw? Will it be announced beforehand? I wouldn't wanna miss the start :C

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great to see the organizationlevwl hasn't changes much lol

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so ura, can you play?

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such a *****  :XD:

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such a show-off.

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OKAY. after some discussions with anton, this is what we came up with:

TOWNIE FACTION (5 players)

Roled towies:
2 Guardians- can protect anyone during the night
a guardian can protect himself ONLY if the other guardian is dead.

the person protected DOES NOT find out they were protected

MAFIA (1 player)
can kill a player each night.
if a guardian intervenes, he will miss.

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roles of dead players are revealed at the beginning of the next day.


(provisional p-circle stamp of approval)

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okay so we've talked this over. rules stay the same.

i'll try getting in contact with eliza asap.

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dude, as a programmer...
 :XD:
Spreadsheet are awesome, stats and numbers are awesome.
when this game is done, I'll release the spreadsheet on google Docs.
so you can all review how you've been playing

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Well someone is using excel... :p!ssed: I fucking hate excel.

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I've contacted Mouse..he isn't joining
And Stuy...he can't access jCafe24 (because of some Apache errors and probably he is trying to play while at work)

And yeah, I've spreadsheet all of this




And I can make this work easier if SMF support iFrames
so I can send you guys forms to fill out instead
:XD:

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i've been away. Lets jus go with that.

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i notified mouse too, i'm not sure he's interested though. someone should tell stuy about this as well, in case he wants to play. I've some stuff to do today but when i'm done, i'll run through the rules again with anton, so thanks for the input, ura.


ooh hidden, i haven't seen you in a while! <3

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unrestricted=can save self
when does the last guard get notified they can save themselves?

a lone sheriff townspecial is weaker than 1-2 guards because the sheriff will likely die early, whereas with 1-2 guards there is a low chance of information loss for the town past night 1. with the last guard reveal this low chance becomes an impossibility.

the key indicator of the unbalance for your setup is that the mafia would need to produce 4 kills to win the game in an environment where information loss is impossible for the town.

i don't particularly care about the setup, just wanted to share a counter-opinion.

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what do you mean by unrestricted guardian?
also, right now the game is balanced enough because people don't find out they were protected. it will be harder for the mafia to fake role only if both guardians are dead and that's it. otherwise, i see no restrictions.

we're not going with multiple roles because it always ends up in chaos. also, we're not going with the seer because it puts too much power in the hands of one person.
the guardian has absolutely no way of finding out the role of the mafia OR the role of the other guardian.

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^Yeah, can you clarify when the game will start Red? If it's the day after tomorrow it'll be down to the wire if i can join or not.

Generally the smallest game size for mafia is 7 (though you can build smaller games emphasizing technique), and even then the rule of thumb is 1 town special +1 mafia . Typically with this setup you start the game day 1 and have a sheriff & mob boss (who acts before the sheriff round). You could have more interesting town roles for that special though, like sheriff-doctor.

Alternatively, if you want a less strategic game you can have a closed game where most people are roled (with trivial roles like milkman, etc) while maintaining that 1-1 town/mafia-special and just withhold the exact game setup. I think irecinius ran a game like this on st.

The double guardian + death reveal favors the town strongly though. If you're keeping just 1 mafia,  I would recommend cutting that down to 1 unrestricted guardian to make the nightgame interesting and also killing the death reveal because it's harder for the mafia to fake a role while giving little new info to the town.

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OKAY. after some discussions with anton, this is what we came up with:

TOWNIE FACTION (5 players)

Roled towies:
2 Guardians- can protect anyone during the night
a guardian can protect himself ONLY if the other guardian is dead.

the person protected DOES NOT find out they were protected

MAFIA (1 player)
can kill a player each night.
if a guardian intervenes, he will miss.

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roles of dead players are revealed at the beginning of the next day.







also, can we start the day after tomorrow. I still need to get a hold of eliza and it's not that easy.

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Well I do need to sleep :C
aside from that there shouldn't be a problem.

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ok...just promised that you will stick around 24/7 when everyone is ready.

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hey, i'd play along if you don't mind :C
what are the winning conditions with 3 factions? getting half the population like in other mafia games?
n the vampires would be the wolves?

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you feel depressed?
well here, have a candy

Ok, I felt asleep at the gym after I typed that on my tablet

now, I've to wait and see if my friend (Krishna) can get on the internet
also with the new rules and internet laws in China blocking everything
I also want to get Stuy on this board too