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Re: Martial Arts Club!
« Reply #100 on: September 04, 2008, 02:13:29 AM »
no, we don't have it on this island 

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« Reply #99 on: August 25, 2008, 01:45:27 AM »
Hmm... Baguazhang, circle walking xD



Bagua is nice. Don't you have it in your area? Are you planning on training it in the future?

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« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2008, 01:31:04 PM »
Answer these question, if you wanna join (plz submit request via reply or via pm to me):

Why do you wanna join? i've always liked martial arts and their amazing insight into the human anatomy.

Do you practice martial arts (if yes than are you practicing only unarmed or also with weapons)? yes, im currently learing muay thai and brazilian jiu-jitsu.

What’s your favourite style and weapon? it'd baguazhang and sorry fists only.

What do you think is true purpose of martial arts? i have two ideas 1.for the weak to defend against strongger or multiple enemies.
                                                                                          2.to better understand ones body and a way of destroying others.

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« Reply #97 on: August 15, 2008, 12:28:37 AM »
Tang Lang Quan



Northern Praying Mantis (Chinese: 螳螂拳; pinyin: tánglángquán; literally "praying mantis fist") is a style of Chinese martial arts, sometimes called Shandong Praying Mantis after its province of origin. It was created by Wang Lang (王朗) and was named after the praying mantis, an insect, the aggressiveness of which inspired the style. One Mantis legend places the creation of the style in the Song Dynasty when Wang Lang was supposedly one of 18 masters gathered by the Abbot Fu Ju (福居), a legendary persona of the historical Abbot Fu Yu (福裕) (1203-1275), to improve Shaolin martial arts. However, most legends place Wang Lang in the late Ming Dynasty.

Features
The mantis is a long and narrow predatory insect. While heavily armoured, it is not built to withstand forces from perpendicular directions. Consequently, its fighting style involves the use of whip-like/circular motions to deflect direct attacks, which it follows up with precise attacks to the opponent's vital spots. These traits have been subsumed into the Northern Praying Mantis style, under the rubric of "removing something" (blocking to create a gap) and "adding something" (rapid attack).

One of the most distinctive features of Northern Praying Mantis is the "praying mantis hook" (螳螂勾; pinyin: tángláng gōu): a hook made of one to three fingers directing force in a whip-like manner. The hook may be used to divert force (blocking) or to attack critical spots (eyes or acupuncture points). These are particularly useful in combination, for example using the force imparted from a block to power an attack. So if the enemy punches with the right hand, a Northern Praying Mantis practitioner might hook outwards with the left hand (shifting the body to the left) and use the turning force to attack the enemy's neck with a right hook. Alternately, he/she might divert downwards with the left hook and rebound with the left wrist stump to jaw/nose/throat.

Northern Praying Mantis is especially famous for its speed and continuous attacks. Another prominent feature of the style is its complex footwork, borrowed from Monkey Kung Fu.



Origins

There are many legends surrounding the creation of Northern Praying Mantis boxing. One legend attributes the creation of Mantis fist to the Song Dynasty when Abbot Fu Ju (福居), a legendary persona of the historical Abbot Fu Yu (福裕) (1203-1275), supposedly invited Wang Lang (王朗) and seventeen other masters to come and improve the martial arts of Shaolin. The Abbot recorded all of the techniques in a manual called the Mishou (祕手 – "Secret Hands") and later passed it onto the Taoist priest Shen Xiao. This manual supposedly disappeared until the Qianlong reign era when it was published under the name "Arhat exercising merit short strike illustrated manuscript" (Chinese: 罗汉行功短打; pinyin: Luóhàn Xínggōng Duǎn Dǎ). Some sources place the folk manuscript's publication on the "sixteenth day of the third month of the spring of 1794". The manual records Wang Lang "absorbed and equalized all previous techniques" learned from the 17 other masters.

The 18 Masters Invited to Shaolin
1. Chang Quan - Long-range Boxing - Emperor Taizu
2. Tongbei - Through the Back - Han Tong
3. Chan Feng - Wrap Around and Seal - Zhang En
4. Duanda - Close-range Strikes - Ma Ji
5. Keshou Tongquan - Blocking Hands and Following Through Fist - Jin Xiang
6. Gou Lou Cai Shou - Hooking, Scooping and Grabbing Hands - Liu Xing
7. Zhanna Diefa - Methods of Sticking, Grabbing, and Falling - Yan Qing
8. Duan Quan - Short Boxing - Wen Yuan
9. Hou Quan - Monkey Boxing - Sun Heng
10. Mien Quan - Cotton Fist - Mien Shen
11. Shuailue Yingbeng - Throwing-Grabbing and Hard Crashing - Huai De
12. Gunlou Guaner - Ducking, Leaking and Passing through the Ears - Tan Fang
13. Yuanyang Jiao - Mandarin ducks kicking technique - Lin Chong
14. Qishi Lianquan - Seven Postures of Continuous Fist Strikes - Meng Su
15. Kunlu Zhenru - Hand Binding and Grabbing - Yang Gun
16. Woli Paochui - Explosive Strikes into the Hollow Body Parts - Cui Lian
17. Kao Shou - Close Range Hand Techniques - Huang You
18. Tanglang - Praying Mantis - Wang Lang

A third of the masters listed all come from fictional novels. Yan Qing (#7) and Lin Chong (#13) come from the Water Margin and Emperor Taizu (#1), Han Tong (#2), Zhang En (#3) and Huai De (#11) come from the Fei Long Quan Zhuan (飞龙全传 – “The Complete Flying Dragon Biography”), which was published prior to the aforementioned manual.

Another legend connected to the Song Dynasty states Wang Lang participated in a Lei tai contest in the capital city of Kaifeng and was defeated by General Han Tong (韩通), the founder of Tongbeiquan. After leaving the fighting arena, he saw a brave praying mantis attacking the wheels of oncoming carts with its "broadsword-like" arms, Mantis fist was born shortly thereafter. However, most legends place Wang Ming living in the late Ming Dynasty.

Connection with General Yue Fei

As previously stated, the Water Margin bandits Lin Chong and Yan Qing, the adopted of Lu Junyi, are said to be part of the 18 masters supposedly invited to Shaolin by the legendary Abbot Fuju. According to the folklore biography of Song Dynasty General Yue Fei, Lin and Lu were former students of Zhou Tong, the general’s military arts teacher. One martial legend states Zhou learned Chuojiao boxing from its originator Deng Liang (邓良) and then passed it onto Yue Fei. Chuojiao is also known as the "Water Margin Outlaw style" and "Mandarin Duck Leg" (Chinese: 鴛鴦腿; pinyin: Yuānyāng Tuǐ). In the Water Margin's twenty-ninth chapter, entitled "Wu Song, Drunk, Beats Jiang the Gate Guard Giant", it mentions Wu Song, another of Zhou's fictional students, using the "Jade Circle-Steps with Duck and Drake feet". Lin Chong is listed above as being a master of "Mandarin ducks kicking technique".

Lineage Mantis Master Yuen Man Kai openly claims Zhou taught Lin and Lu the "same school" of martial arts that was later combined with the aforementioned seventeen other schools to create Mantis fist. However, he believes Mantis fist was created during the Ming Dynasty, and was therefore influenced by these eighteen schools from the Song. He also says Lu Junyi taught Yan Qing the same martial arts as he learned from Zhou. Master Yuen further comments Zhou later taught Yue the same school and that Yue was the originator of the mantis move "Black Tiger Steeling Heart".

Styles

Widespread styles

There are several styles of Northern Praying Mantis, the most famous of which are:

Seven Star Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 七星螳螂拳; pinyin: qī xīng tángláng quán). This style is the original form of praying mantis kung fu and is widespread in the Shandong Province and surrounding areas. Luo Guangyu (羅光玉) is famous for having passed down this style to Hong Kong and other parts of Southern China, where it is still practiced today. Seven Star is considered by many as the 'hardest' of the Praying Mantis styles, however it still utilizes soft-hard principles and is classified as a soft-hard style.

Plum Blossom Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 梅花螳螂拳; pinyin: méihuā tángláng quán). One of the oldest among all Northern Praying Mantis styles, it is widespread in Shandong Province, Jilin, Liaoning and South Korea. It traces its lineage directly from Li Bingxiao (b.1700s) to Zhao Zhu to Liang Xuexiang (1810-1895). Liang Xuexiang was the first master to use the name of Plum Blossom. Liang Xuexiang's disciples, mainly Jiang Hualong, Liang Jingchuan, Sun Yuanchang, Hao Hong and Xiu Kunshan are responsible for popularization of this style in the 20th century. In the early 1900s, it heavily influenced the development of Taiji Mantis of Cui Shoushan and Wang Yushan, Taiji Plum Blossom of Hao Family, Taiji Mantis of Zhao Zhuxi and Babu Mantis of Wei Xiaotang.

Taiji Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 太極螳螂拳; pinyin: tàijí tángláng quán). Today this style is represented by two distinct lineages. The first one is that of Cui Shoushan and Wang Yushan and is based on Song Zide and Jiang Hualong's Plum Blossom teachings in Laiyang, Shandong Province. It is popular in Laiyang, Yantai, Qingdao, Dalian, North America, Russia, France and Spain. The second lineage can be traced to Sun Yuanchang's Blum Blossom, who was yet another disciple of Liang Xuexiang. Its most famous progenitor is Zhao Zhu Xi, who is said to have taught (both directly and indirectly) thousands of students during his lifetime in Vietnam and Hong Kong, who have since spread to all corners of the globe. He was given the Cantonese nickname Chuk Kai, meaning "Bamboo Creek", for a famous battle he fought with bandits at that location. This style has since become prevalent in places such as Korea, Hong Kong, Vietnam, and North America.

Taiji Plum Blossom Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 太極梅花螳螂拳; pinyin: tàijíméihuā tángláng quán). This style is, historically, a combination of two different lineages of Mantis: Taiji Mantis and Plum Blossom Mantis. This style is widespread in Yantai, Qingdao, Beijing, Dalian, Harbin, etc. What is now called Taiji Plum Blossom traces its lineage to Hao Lianru (郝蓮茹)—a disciple of Liang Xuexiang, his sons Hao Henglu, Hao Hengxin and his grandson Hao Bin. The later three combined both Taiji Mantis and Plum Blossom in the early 20th Century, creating the current style. Hao Lianru's five sons have since spread the style elsewhere. This style is well-known for its large, two-handed sword, and for being somewhat 'softer' than Seven Star Praying Mantis.

Six Harmony Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 六合螳螂拳; pinyin: liù hé tángláng quán). Known as the 'softest' or most 'internal' of the Praying Mantis styles, Six Harmony was passed down by Ding Zicheng (丁子成), whose students taught in Shandong Province as well as Taiwan. Six Harmony Praying Mantis has a very different curriculum, with unique routines not found in other Praying Mantis styles.

Rare styles

Other, less widespread styles include:

Eight Step Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 八步螳螂拳; pinyin: bā bù tángláng quán). This style was originally conceived by Jiang Hua Long, and was further refined by his principle disciple of the style, Feng Huanyi (馮環義), which was passed down by his disciple Wei Xiaotang (衛笑堂) in Taiwan.

Shiny Board Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 光板螳螂拳; pinyin: guāng bǎn tángláng quán). Also known as "flat plate" or "hidden grip" Praying Mantis.

Long Fist Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 長拳螳螂拳; pinyin: cháng quán tángláng quán). Influenced strongly by Long Fist boxing.

Throwing Hand Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 摔手梅花螳螂拳; pinyin: shuāishǒu méihuā tángláng quán). This style was passed down by Bao Guangying from Shandong Province. He taught in Hong Kong and Guangzhou.

Secret Gate Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 秘門螳螂拳; pinyin: mì mén tángláng quán). This style was passed down by Zhang Dekui (張德奎) in Taiwan and is a variation of Taiji Mantis.

Seeking Leg Praying Mantis Boxing (Chinese: 探腿螳螂拳; pinyin: tàn tuǐ tángláng quán). Was passed down by Pui Chan, who immigrated to the United States.



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Re: Martial Arts Club!
« Reply #96 on: August 13, 2008, 05:12:23 PM »
Welcome to all members who joined when I wasn’t online.

Now we need some nice signature and we can become official club. Really a shame that I have no skills in making those.

Modern Kendo truly is more sport than a martial arts. I like Kenjutsu far better. It is good thing that there are still dojos in Japan which teach ancient sword styles. I saw once how they train and it was really interesting. I tried it too but I have nearly no talent in using long swords. With Wakizashi I am little bit better but can feel that swords aren’t my thing. I am so jealous of my sister. She is really talented in using various weapons (including swords) and unarmed combat. But at least if it comes to Tonfa I am better.


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« Reply #95 on: August 11, 2008, 03:19:23 AM »
Kendo is sport but it's also a martial art. And it's pretty much up to the practitioner.

And you should eat at least few times a day until your really full! Just cook some meat and vegetables.

The old samurai schools would be nice. It's basically Kenjutsu. Some also have Iaijutsu and/or other weapons like Naginata, Kusari-gama, Yari (spear) etc. And some Jujutsu (basically, what you do if you lose your weapon).

And that kinda stuff can seriously suck, unless the teacher is both skilled and a good teacher. Doesn't need to be that great teacher, but if he's skilled, and you train hard, you'll get much out from the training. And when you train long and get to know the teacher better and he gets to know you better, it's easier for him to teach you even if he's not that great teacher and even teach stuff his students wouldn't normally learn.

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« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2008, 03:05:52 AM »
martial art, sports, blah i already discussed that in boob's thread.
yeah i trying to do some martial arts. Right Now i'm doing kendo(sport or martial art, i don't know) and i don't feel to quit this one. It's really fun when you start to train with other people. When i started, it was boring doing the same steps for an hour >.<
I'm thinking in adding extra weight to the shinai...

thank you guys :yay:

edit: i was trying to make another conversation...
I shouldn't said that iado was boring. It just that i don't know what do you do that in kenjutsu or kendo don't.


i just started this year so i'm a total noob. I still have problems knowing the name of the practice i'm doing.
What i want to achieve?? if i only wanted to be strong, then i should be doing boxing(maybe the next year). Be strong is one of reason of course. Since i was child, people had said i'm thin. Some people would say i have anorexia :xd but my health is good. I never though on train myself until my boss said to do it(i'm really emptyhead).
Like i said, i always wanted to do kendo. I got a part time job this year so i could paid for what i want. I don't want my parent to waste their money for me, i really hate to be dependant to someone.
I can't really say for fun. I'm really serious about practice. I even practice at home. There are two guys in our class and sometimes they just play waving the shinai like two childs. I really want to say, "if you want to play like that, then don't throw your parent's money".

ejem... what i want to achieve?? nothing really. I just want to get better.

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« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2008, 03:00:42 AM »
Kendo isn't really a martial art imo, having done it myself its pretty much just a sport, I was trained to win competition fights and nothing more...hence stopped it and got iaido, which at first is dull, but like all good arts, you have to stick with it to get to the good stuff.

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« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2008, 02:15:15 AM »
How long have you done Kendo? And what would you like to achieve with it? Would you like to be strong or do you only train for fun?

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« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2008, 01:44:58 AM »
i'm here because wathirot told me to do it  :p!ssed:
    * Why do you wanna join? wathi told me to aaaand it can be interesting to know other martial arts.
    * Do you practice martial arts (if yes than are you practicing only unarmed or also with weapons?) Yes, kendou for now. Like... i always wanted to do kendou but having no job, i couldn't pay for the classes. When i was kid i did some taekwondo but now i think the training was pretty lame. Maybe because kids can't do the same training than adults >_> or the sensei sucked. I was thinking in doing iaido or Kenjutsu but what i saw in youtube was boring

    * What’s your favourite style and weapon? i really don't know
    * What do you think is true purpose of martial arts? train your body and mind. Trying martial arts and sports form the character. That's why i prefer activities where you socialize with others.

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« Reply #90 on: August 07, 2008, 06:21:12 PM »
Ken-chaaaan!! :yoyo: I also wanted to use this monkey :D !

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« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2008, 07:59:21 AM »
Don’t worry my friend. Even if I wont find it I will just translate everything again. Sure it will take some time but I will do it.

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« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2008, 07:25:04 AM »
But if you got yakuza tattoos the delinquents won't fuck with you xD

Well tell me when you're going to Japan, so I can get my hopes up for a bigger disappointment =D !

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« Reply #87 on: August 07, 2008, 07:17:32 AM »
Delinquents are real problem in Japan. I had already a lot of encounters with them. Fighting against them (crowd) is always hard. Even if you take down some their friends still will be able to get you (from behind). Best choice would be few quick punches and than strategic retreat (sometimes it is possible to find good place where you ca defend yourself even against crowd). If I use my beloved tonfa (nearly always with me) and have god place which at least allows me not to worry about behind attacks I can take down a lot of attackers. But usually if they start to mess up somewhere in neighbourhood I just call my friends from dojo. Without 10 versus 1 balance they are nothing to worry about.

About Keiji. Sry I couldn’t find it. But I think that I still have it. Right place is probably my room in Japan. I think that I wont stay in German more than for  two or three weeks and than I will be able to tell if I was right or not

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« Reply #86 on: August 07, 2008, 07:09:06 AM »
Then just show them your yakuza tattoo or your .45 .50

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« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2008, 07:03:11 AM »
Slight problem with your theory, A: muggers rarely work alone, usually in groups from 3-12 or so, thusly punching one in the face WILL get you killed, also it means theres a lot of witnesses =P

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« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2008, 06:57:38 AM »
Then you can hit him in the face and get lost, doubt anyone would go to cops for something like that. And he'd never win that.

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« Reply #83 on: August 07, 2008, 06:41:23 AM »
The only time anyones ever tried to mug me was in the middle of the day =/

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« Reply #82 on: August 07, 2008, 06:31:29 AM »
I just said that you only need to beat the guy up enough to get away. And it's usually pretty dark, no way they'd find you. And many people beat people up for fun, and they don't get caught that easily even though they're not that hard to find.

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« Reply #81 on: August 07, 2008, 06:08:06 AM »
Its not 1%, not in the UK anyway, forensics these days are insane. Also if you kick their ass, 9 out of 10 times they'll go to the police, over here at least. Also breaking bones is considered excessive force unless they are physically trying to kill you (with intent, not just randomly swinging a knife ¬_¬), you have to restrain them not hurt them. Unfortunate, but true.

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« Reply #80 on: August 07, 2008, 04:11:08 AM »
There's 1% change that they find you, and still it's his word against yours, and only beating him enough to get a way, so there wouldn't be that much broken bones or anything, and usually the guys who attack people doesn't look really that innocent which would help his story.

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« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2008, 12:08:25 PM »
Usually people don't attack you in clear daylight when there's many people around. And the guy? Usually people like that wouldn't go to police. And how would he find you anyways?

By going to the police and saying, "Some dude just beat me for no reason" this is followed by the attacker giving the police a description of you. Then when you are found and confronted with this story of how you beat the guy and when you you tell yours you are the bad guy because the attacker got beat up.

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« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2008, 12:24:01 AM »
Usually people don't attack you in clear daylight when there's many people around. And the guy? Usually people like that wouldn't go to police. And how would he find you anyways?

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« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2008, 11:18:56 PM »
No proving, no nothing. Just kick his ass and leave. Who's gonna know?

The guy you just beat and the several witnesses nearby

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« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2008, 11:14:17 PM »
No proving, no nothing. Just kick his ass and leave. Who's gonna know?

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« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2008, 11:11:13 PM »
The best thing to do when someone attack you is simply kicking his ass and leaving right away.

Just remember to prove that you HAD to kick his ass to survive

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« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2008, 07:40:12 PM »
The best thing to do when someone attack you is simply kicking his ass and leaving right away.

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« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2008, 07:25:40 PM »
Chokes are the nicest most vague thing, "I wasn't choking him your honour, no, just merely putting him into a reversed headlock that uses my hands instead of my arm!"

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« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2008, 07:11:29 PM »
That's why you should know about the law. For example the choke I just described is legal in self defense situation. Law isn't perfect, there's always holes in it, you just need to find them.

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« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2008, 07:39:47 AM »
Self defence laws are very vague unfotunately. There were cases in Britain were people defending themselves went to jail instead of the original assailant because they used too much force (Personally I think, if the guys got a knife, and tries to use it, his life is fair game, but apparantly the law doesn't agree with me =/)